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		<title>PATRIOT Act Author The NSA Is Actively Violating The Law</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[PATRIOT Act Author: The NSA Is Actively Violating The Law Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI), the author of the original USA PATRIOT Act, disagrees. In a amicus brief filed in support of the American Civil Liberties Union&#8217;s lawsuit against the National Security Agency&#8217;s bulk collection of U.S. phone records, Sensenbrenner argues that the government has gone far beyond what the legislation authorizes. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI), the author of the original USA PATRIOT Act, disagrees.</p>
<p>In a amicus brief filed in support of the American Civil Liberties Union&#8217;s lawsuit against the National Security Agency&#8217;s bulk collection of U.S. phone records, Sensenbrenner argues that the government has gone far beyond what the legislation authorizes.</p>
<p class="p1">Section 215, known as the business records provision, authorizes intelligence agencies to apply for information if &#8220;the records are relevant to an ongoing foreign intelligence investigation.&#8221;</p>
<p class="p1">In practice, the NSA uses section 215 to collect data pertaining to every phone call to, from, and within the U.S. in the name of combating terrorism.</p>
<p class="p1">Sensenbrenner and the other members of Congress who enacted Section 215 &#8220;did not intend to authorize the program at issue in this lawsuit or any program of a comparable scope,&#8221; according to the brief.</p>
<p class="p1">The brief goes on to propose this question (emphasis ours):</p>
<p class="p1">The NSA is gathering on a daily basis the details of every call that every American makes, as well as every call made by foreigners to or from the United States. <strong>How can every call that every American makes or receives be relevant to a specific investigation?</strong>&#8220;</p>
<p class="p1">Filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the brief notes that Sensenbrenner &#8220;was not aware of the full scope of the program when he voted to reauthorize Section 215&#8221; and would have voted against it if he had known.</p>
<p class="p1">In Sensenbrenner&#8217;s words: &#8220;The suggestion that the administration can violate the law because Congress failed to object is outrageous. But let them be on notice: I am objecting right now.&#8221;  <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/patriot-act-author-nsa-abused-its-power-2013-9">source</a></p>
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		<title>CNBC Reporter mentions iPhone to Steve Jobs before any iphone was ever released </title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve Jobs interviewed by CNBC Reporter mentions iPhone to Steve Jobs before any iphone was ever released  5th Ave Store Opening (CNBC) 18 May 2006 Some forgettable CNBC reporter who managed at least one interesting question of Steve Jobs concerning AMD. Jobs, looking thin and pixelated, and dressed in a black, long-sleeved shirt of indeterminate neck [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<h1>5th Ave Store Opening (CNBC) <small>18 May 2006</small></h1>
<p>Some forgettable CNBC reporter who managed at least one interesting question of Steve Jobs concerning AMD. Jobs, looking thin and pixelated, and dressed in a black, long-sleeved shirt of indeterminate neck variety, was speaking from the within the new store on Fifth Avenue, in New York.</p>
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<p>Most of the interview was about the new store and the retail initiative, which Jobs described as being a &#8220;success beyond our wildest dreams.&#8221; When queried over the expense of flagship stores, such as the SOHO store in New York, Jobs responded that Apple has &#8220;never believed in the philosophy that flagship stores don&#8217;t make money,&#8221; and they do. To that end, he suggested Apple&#8217;s first response to the idea of a store underneath the plaza outside the GM building was, &#8220;subterranean, are you crazy?&#8221; However, Apple responded with a &#8220;crazy&#8221; idea of their own, the now famous 32 foot glass cube and brand beacon to generate traffic. Jobs mentioned that of the 300 employees at the store, half will be available for tech support, even at 2:00 AM, and who wouldn&#8217;t want to stroll the plaza at that hour with a couple of thousands dollars worth of hardware? The CNBC reporter also asked about the iPhone and was correctly snubbed, but more interesting was the response to a question about AMD chips, one that is well-suited for Da Vinci Code type analysis by Mac nerds on the Internet guessing Apple&#8217;s next move. I transcribed as best I could, of course.</p>
<blockquote><p>You know AMD&#8217;s got some interesting products at the very high end of the server space, but the part of the market we concentrate on the most is notebooks and consumer desktops, and for that Intel&#8217;s got the best chips. This Yonah chip, the Core Duo that they have right now, is the best chip in the world for notebooks and consumer desktops, so right now Intel&#8217;s road map looks very, very strong for the kinds of products—processors—we need for the products we build.</p></blockquote>
<p>Many will note the &#8220;right now&#8221; phrase, but I am more intrigued by the tacit admission of the shift away from the tower as the flagship product of Apple Computer. Of course, the fact that Apple has yet to make the transition to Intel for the pro desktops says as much, but it&#8217;s still strange to hear from the CEO&#8217;s mouth.</p>
<p><a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2006/05/4047/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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		<title>The Babbage Difference Engine #2</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Babbage Difference Engine #2 A difference engine is an automatic mechanical calculator designed to tabulate polynomial functions. It was designed in the 1820s, and was created by Charles Babbage. The name difference engine is derived from the method of finite differences, a way to interpolate or tabulate functions by using a small set of polynomial co-efficients. Some of the most common mathematical functions used in engineering, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<div data-hveid="CCsQAQ" data-ved="2ahUKEwjj1rT2_cqOAxVwE0QIHQvNKs8Qo_EKegQIKxAB">A <b>difference engine</b> is an automatic mechanical calculator designed to tabulate polynomial functions. It was designed in the 1820s, and was created by Charles Babbage. The name <i>difference engine</i> is derived from the method of finite differences, a way to interpolate or tabulate functions by using a small set of polynomial co-efficients. Some of the most common mathematical functions used in engineering, science and navigation are built from logarithmic and trigonometric functions, which can be approximated by polynomials, so a difference engine can compute many useful tables.</div>
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<p><span data-huuid="17174816123811005211">A Difference Engine is <mark class="QVRyCf">a mechanical calculator designed to automatically compute and print mathematical tables, specifically focusing on polynomial functions</mark>. </span><span data-huuid="17174816123811006456">It was conceived by Charles Babbage in the 1820s, based on the mathematical principle of finite differences. </span><span data-huuid="17174816123811007701">While Babbage never fully completed his Difference Engine, his designs and the work of others demonstrated its potential for automating complex calculations and producing accurate tables used in fields like navigation and astronomy.</span></p>
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<li class="Gur8Ad"><span data-huuid="17174816123811005373"><strong>Automatic Calculation: </strong></span><span data-huuid="17174816123811006618">The Difference Engine was designed to automatically calculate and print tables of values for polynomial functions, eliminating the need for manual computation and reducing the risk of human error, according to the Science Museum.</span></li>
<li><span data-huuid="17174816123811005012"><strong>Finite Differences: </strong></span><span data-huuid="17174816123811006257">The engine operated based on the method of finite differences, which relies on repeated addition to solve polynomials, making it suitable for mechanical implementation.</span></li>
<li><strong>Mechanical Construction: </strong><span data-huuid="17174816123811005896">The Difference Engine was a complex mechanical device, consisting of thousands of gears, levers, and other parts. </span></li>
<li><strong>Storage and Printing: </strong><span data-huuid="17174816123811005535">It included features like temporary data storage and the ability to print its results, both on paper and into a mold for printing plates, says Britannica Kids.<span class="pjBG2e" data-cid="6000ed05-ff7e-401b-b39b-be0457488e63"><span class="UV3uM"> </span></span></span></li>
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<li class="Gur8Ad"><span data-huuid="17174816123811007664"><strong>Precursor to Modern Computers: </strong></span><span data-huuid="17174816123811004813">Although a mechanical device, the Difference Engine represented a significant step towards the development of modern computers. </span><span data-huuid="17174816123811006058">It demonstrated the potential of automating complex calculations and introduced concepts like data storage and output.</span></li>
<li class="Gur8Ad"><strong>Addressing Human Error: </strong><span data-huuid="17174816123811005697">The engine was designed to address the problem of human error in producing mathematical tables, which were crucial for navigation, astronomy, and other scientific fields.</span></li>
<li class="Gur8Ad"><strong>Historical Context: </strong><span data-huuid="17174816123811005336">The Difference Engine was a product of its time, reflecting the advancements in engineering and the growing need for automated computation in the 19th century.</span></li>
<li class="Gur8Ad"><strong>Limited Adoption: </strong><span data-huuid="17174816123811004975">While Babbage&#8217;s designs were influential, the full-scale Difference Engine was never completed due to construction challenges and funding issues. </span><span data-huuid="17174816123811006220">However, other versions were built by individuals like <span class="M5tQyf">Georg and Edvard Scheutz.</span></span></li>
<li class="Gur8Ad">In essence, the Difference Engine was a revolutionary idea that paved the way for modern computing by automating mathematical calculations and introducing key concepts that would later be incorporated into electronic computers. <span data-huuid="17174816123811005859">The Computer History Museum notes. </span></li>
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<p>Charles Babbage began to construct a small difference engine in <abbr title="circa">c.</abbr> 1819 and had completed it by 1822 (Difference Engine 0). He announced his invention on 14 June 1822, in a paper to the Royal Astronomical Society, entitled &#8220;Note on the application of machinery to the computation of astronomical and mathematical tables&#8221;. This machine used the decimal number system and was powered by cranking a handle. The British government was interested, since producing tables was time-consuming and expensive and they hoped the difference engine would make the task more economical.</p>
<p>In 1823, the British government gave Babbage £1700 to start work on the project. Although Babbage&#8217;s design was feasible, the metalworking techniques of the era could not economically make parts in the precision and quantity required. Thus the implementation proved to be much more expensive and doubtful of success than the government&#8217;s initial estimate. According to the 1830 design for Difference Engine No. 1, it would have about 25,000 parts, weigh 4 tons,and operate on 20-digit numbers by sixth-order differences. In 1832, Babbage and Joseph Clement produced a small working model (one-seventh of the plan), which operated on 6-digit numbers by second-order differences.Lady Byron described seeing the working prototype in 1833: &#8220;We both went to see the thinking machine (or so it seems) last Monday. It raised several Nos. to the 2nd and 3rd powers, and extracted the root of a Quadratic equation.&#8221; Lady Byron&#8217;s daughter Ada Lovelace would later become fascinated with and work on creating the first computer program intended to solve Bernoulli&#8217;s equation utilizing the difference engine. Work on the larger engine was suspended in 1833.</p>
<p>By the time the government abandoned the project in 1842,Babbage had received and spent over £17,000 on development, which still fell short of achieving a working engine. The government valued only the machine&#8217;s output (economically produced tables), not the development (at unpredictable cost) of the machine itself. Babbage refused to recognize that predicament. Meanwhile, Babbage&#8217;s attention had moved on to developing an analytical engine, further undermining the government&#8217;s confidence in the eventual success of the difference engine. By improving the concept as an analytical engine, Babbage had made the difference engine concept obsolete, and the project to implement it an utter failure in the view of the government.</p>
<p>The incomplete Difference Engine No. 1 was put on display to the public at the 1862 International Exhibition in South Kensington, London.</p>
<p>Babbage went on to design his much more general analytical engine, but later designed an improved &#8220;Difference Engine No. 2&#8221; design (31-digit numbers and seventh-order differences), between 1846 and 1849. Babbage was able to take advantage of ideas developed for the analytical engine to make the new difference engine calculate more quickly while using fewer parts <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_engine" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[How to Install Node-Red to Home Assistant &#8211; Using Node-Red for Complex Home Automations Node-RED is a flow-based, low-code development tool for visual programming, originally developed by IBM for wiring together hardware devices, APIs and online services as part of the Internet of things. Node-RED provides a web browser-based flow editor, which can be used [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<h1><span style="color: #ff0000;">How to Install Node-Red to Home Assistant &#8211; Using Node-Red for Complex Home Automations</span></h1>
<p>Node-RED is a flow-based, low-code development tool for visual programming, originally developed by IBM for wiring together hardware devices, APIs and online services as part of the Internet of things. Node-RED provides a web browser-based flow editor, which can be used to create JavaScript functions.</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-center">This guide will show you how to install Node-Red to Home Assistant and take you through a basic flow.</p>
<p>Node-Red is a low-code development tool for building simple to complex automation flows. The software runs within a web browser and works great within Home Assistant. The software is relatively easy to learn and allows easy viewing of complex logic flows.</p>
<p>Using Node-Red gives you an excellent visual overview of automation flows, making it much easier to understand, edit, and create. You can build flows that control automatic gates, lights, water pumps, and more.</p>
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<p>This tutorial will explain how to install Node-Red to Home Assistant. We also go through the basics of setting up an automation flow. Both of these topics give you a decent insight into how you can get the most out of the software.</p>
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<h2 id="installing-node-red" class="wp-block-heading lbb-section-break mt-5 text-center">Installing Node-Red</h2>
<p><a href="https://nodered.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Node-RED: Low-code programming for event-driven applications</a></p>
<p>The installation of Node Red is very straightforward, but there are a few requirements for a smooth installation process.</p>
<p>To install Node-Red within Home Assistant, you must run a version that supports add-ons such as supervised or the operating system. Alternatively, you can set up Node-Red as a separate docker and connect it to Home Assistant.</p>
<p><strong class="step_numbering">1.</strong> Within the Home Assistant web interface, click on the <strong>settings</strong> tab and then click on <strong>add-ons</strong>.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">2.</strong> Click on <strong>add-store</strong> in the bottom right corner of the screen.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">3.</strong> Using the search box, search for <strong>Node Red</strong>. Alternatively, you can scroll through the page until you find the Node-Red add-on.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">4.</strong> The page you should now see will contain all the details about the add-on. You can check through all the details if you want to know what you are about to install. Once you are ready to install, click <strong>Install</strong>.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">5.</strong> Now, navigate to the configuration tab. In this tab, locate the <code>credential_secret</code> field and enter a strong password. Make sure you save this password, as you may need it in the future. I use 1Password for storing passwords, but other software such as <a href="https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-bitwarden/">Bitwarden</a> or <a href="https://0g.pimylifeup.com/czn8ML/nordpass" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener sponsored nofollow">Nordpass</a> (Affiliate Link) would also be solid choices.</p>
<p>You will also need to disable SSL if it is not enabled on your Home Assistant installation. To disable SSL, click the SSL button so it is greyed out. If you leave it on and Home Assistant does not support SSL, Node-Red will fail to start.</p>
<p>Once you are done, click on <strong>save</strong>.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">6.</strong> After you have saved the <strong>credential secret</strong> and <strong>disabled SSL</strong>, return to the <strong>info</strong> tab. On this page, click on “<strong>Start</strong>“. Node-Red should start without issue. If it is not starting, navigate to the <strong>log</strong> tab and look through the logs for errors.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">7.</strong> If you click on Node-Red in the sidebar or “<strong>Open Web UI</strong>” on the add-on page, it will take you to the Node-Red application. You can now start writing your flows to automate your Home Assistant setup.</p>
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<h2 id="creating-your-first-node-red-flow" class="wp-block-heading lbb-section-break mt-5 text-center">Creating your First Node-Red Flow</h2>
<p>Node-Red can be a little daunting at first, but once you understand the basics, it is a powerful tool that allows you to handle complex and simple automations.</p>
<p>In this short tutorial, we will go through the basics of creating a flow that uses a Home Assistant node.</p>
<p>The following steps will take you through how to send a notification whenever the temperature of our weather station exceeds 15°C.</p>
<p><strong class="step_numbering">1.</strong> The first node we will use is the “<strong>Events: State</strong>” node. Drag this node onto the grid</p>
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<p>Next, double-click on the node to open the options available. Fill in each of the relevant properties. Below is what I filled in.</p>
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<li><strong>Name</strong>: Check Temperature</li>
<li><strong>Server</strong>: Home Assistant</li>
<li><strong>Entity</strong>: Outdoor Temperature</li>
<li><strong>If State</strong>: &gt;= 15 (Greater or equal to 15)</li>
<li><strong>For</strong>: 1 Minute</li>
<li><strong>State type</strong>: Number</li>
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<p>I also do not have any checkboxes ticked for “<strong>Ignore State Change Event When</strong>“.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">2.</strong> Next, drag and drop a debug node. These nodes will output data that can help diagnose and fix issues with your flows.</p>
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<p>On each node, there are dots. These dots represent different functions. For example, our <strong>Check Temperature</strong> node has two dots. One is for when our logic is false, and the other for when it is true.</p>
<p>We click and drag our true node and connect it to the debug node.</p>
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<p>The flow will run when you click deploy in the top right-hand corner.</p>
<p>In this example, if the temperature exceeds 15°C, the debug node will output after 1 minute. If it is not higher than 15°C, nothing will output.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">3.</strong> Next, we will want to notify our users that the temperature is too high. To do this, drag a “<strong>Call Service</strong>” node onto the grid. Connect the true output to the input on the “<strong>Call Service</strong>” Node.</p>
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<p>Now, double-click on the call service node to edit it. Fill in each of the relevant properties. Below is what I filled in.</p>
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<li><strong>Name</strong>: Enter the name that you want the node to be referred to.</li>
<li><strong>Server</strong>: You shouldn’t need to update this as it should be <strong>Home Assistant</strong>.</li>
<li><strong>Domain</strong>: You will need to set this to <strong>notify</strong>.</li>
<li><strong>Service</strong>: Choose a device that you wish to notify. Choosing the <strong>notify</strong> option will notify all possible users.</li>
<li><strong>Data</strong>: This is where you need to specify the notification details. At the bottom of the properties is an example. Clicking “<strong>Load Example Data</strong>” will pre-populate the data field, which you can easily edit.</li>
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<p>Below is an example of my entry into the data field.</p>
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   <span class="hljs-attr">"message"</span><span class="hljs-punctuation">:</span><span class="hljs-string">"Temperature is too High!"</span><span class="hljs-punctuation">,</span>
   <span class="hljs-attr">"title"</span><span class="hljs-punctuation">:</span><span class="hljs-string">"The temperature is higher than 15°C."</span>	
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">4.</strong> To avoid too many notifications, you may want to place a <strong>delay</strong> node. This node will allow a single notification to be sent for a specified time. To do this, drag and drop a <strong>delay node</strong> in between our check temperature and notify gus nodes.</p>
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<p>Double-click on the delay node and update the settings to the following.</p>
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<li><strong>Action</strong>: Rate Limit and All Messages.</li>
<li><strong>Rate</strong>: 1 msg(s) per 15 minutes.</li>
<li>Change <strong>Queue Intermediate Messages</strong> to <strong>Drop Intermediate Messages</strong></li>
<li><strong>Name</strong>: Rate Limit</li>
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<p>These properties will allow a single message every fifteen minutes. Any messages that try to be sent in the meantime will be dropped.</p>
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<p><strong class="step_numbering">5.</strong> You should now have a basic flow that will notify users whenever the temperature goes above 15°C for over a minute. Feel free to change and alter this flow for other purposes.</p>
<p>You can remove the debug node if you are finished debugging. Alternatively, you can click the green square next to the node to deactivate it.</p>
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<h2 id="conclusion" class="wp-block-heading lbb-section-break mt-5 text-center">Conclusion</h2>
<p>I hope you now have Node-Red installed and configured on your Home Assistant installation. Our basic flow introduced some basics of using the software to run automations. Once you understand the basics, you can create some cool automations using the data from some of the sensors and devices in your home.</p>
<p>We are constantly working on more Home Assistant tutorials, so if there is anything that you would like to see, please let us know. I recommend checking out some of the other tutorials for great ideas on what you can do with this amazing software.</p>
<p>If you encounter any problems or have any suggestions, please do not hesitate to leave a comment down below. <a href="https://pimylifeup.com/install-node-red-home-assistant/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<p>From the beginning of programming, one of the industry’s main challenges has been to <strong>facilitate the applications development to simplify the integration</strong> between the hardware devices, the software and us, the humans. Thanks to Node-RED we are much closer of this goal. <strong>Programming, without programming</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>What is Node-RED and what is it for?</strong></p>
<p>Node-RED is an open-source development tool based on visual programming that was created by IBM to connect hardware devices, APIs and online services.</p>
<p>Node-RED is a solid tool, easy to learn, and it does not require any programming knowledge. It has been consolidated as one of the main applications for <strong>real-time data management and transformation</strong> for IoT and Industry 4.0 solutions.</p>
<p>Node-RED allows to graphically connect predefined blocks, called nodes, to develop a concrete task. The nodes connection, usually a combination of input nodes, processing nodes and output nodes, when wired together, make up a flow.</p>
<p>Among all the available nodes we can find standard protocols as <strong>MQTT, REST, Modbus, OPC-UA, Bacnet, Websocket</strong>; and third party API integrations as <strong>Microsoft Azure, Amazon Web Services, Twitter, Facebook</strong> and many more.</p>
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<p><strong>Where can I install Node-RED?</strong></p>
<p>Node-RED is built on Node.js, taking full advantage of its power and <strong>assuring scalability, liability and low hardware requirements</strong>. These features allow to run Node-RED in personal <strong>computers, cloud servers and low-cost embedded</strong> hardware.</p>
<p>If you want to take your first steps in Node-RED you just need to click <a href="https://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/">here</a> to access to all the documentation. Follow step by step how to install the tool on your computer, your cloud services regular provider or your embedded device <a href="https://www.pickdata.net/emanager-industrial-iot-modular-controller-edge-computing">eManager</a>.</p>
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<p><strong>Nodes library</strong></p>
<p>The nature of the tool, being open source, and the facility to develop new nodes, come together into a <a href="https://flows.nodered.org/">nodes library</a> which grows each day with new community contributions.</p>
<p>Nowadays we can find <strong>more than 2500 available nodes</strong> in the Node-RED official library, including Smart Home integrations, converters between IoT protocols, geolocation functions, OAuth2 authentication and many more.</p>
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<p><strong>Hello world in Node-RED</strong></p>
<p>To conclude this article there is no better way than taking your first steps on Node-RED generating the classic Hello world. Below, we show step by step the process to achieve it:</p>
<p><strong>Message creation with Inject node</strong></p>
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<li>If you are running Node-RED on your computer, you can access <a href="http://127.0.0.1:1880/">http://127.0.0.1:1880</a> or whatever address or hostname you’re using</li>
<li>If it is our first time in Node-RED, we will see a flow named <em>Flow 1</em></li>
<li>On the node palette on the left side of the Node-RED, we will select the <em>Inject</em> node and will drag it onto our flow</li>
<li>In order to edit the node we will double click on it. After that, we will select <em>string </em>on the Payload field and we will write <strong>Hello world!</strong></li>
<li>Once we finish the previous steps, we click Done</li>
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<p><strong>Printing our message</strong></p>
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<li>In order to add a destination for our message we will select the <em>Debug</em> node. We will click and drag it onto our flow. It’s very important to place it on the right-hand side of the <em>Inject</em> node</li>
<li>To connect both nodes we just need to click the <em>Inject</em> node&#8217;s output and drag it to the <em>Debug</em> node&#8217;s input. A wire that links both nodes will be created</li>
<li><em>Debug</em> node will automatically print the message to the console window as we will see in the next step</li>
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<p><strong>Deployment</strong></p>
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<li>In order to start our application you must click on <em>Deploy</em> button</li>
<li>Now click the <em>Debug</em> tab in the right-hand side of the editor window</li>
<li>Finally, to launch our message you will click on the blue button coming out from the left-hand side of the <em>Inject</em> node</li>
<li>“Hello world” will appear on the <em>Debug</em> screen. Welcome to <strong>Node-RED</strong>!</li>
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<p>As PickData, we firmly believe in solutions like Node-RED, because those allow you to focus on what really matters, <strong>bring our added value to the solutions</strong> and skip losing time between ins and outs of the usual programming. <a href="https://www.pickdata.net/news/node-red-visual-programming-tool-iot" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<h1 class="article-header-title">Node-RED has replaced my complex Home Assistant automations, and it does them so much better</h1>
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<p class="adsninja-injected-repeatable-ad-afterend">The self-hosting ecosystem is rife with cool and quirky apps designed to automate every facet of your life. There’s the holy <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/use-terraform-with-proxmox/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Terraform</a> and <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/ansible-automation/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ansible</a> combo for home lab enthusiasts who love watching VMs come to life without pressing a single button, while n8n can handle all software-based automations. On the smart home side, you’ll often find <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/beginners-guide-to-setting-up-home-assistant/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Home Assistant</a> as the most recommended utility for creating schematics to control your IoT gadgets. And well, HASS can serve you well with its trigger-action workflows.</p>
<p>For YAML experts, you can even design long scripts to automate your smart home. But once you get into complicated workflows involving multiple sensors, actuators, and if-else statements, HASS starts to become rather unintuitive. While I still rely on Home Assistant for quick automations, Node-RED is my preferred platform for creating extended automation workflows spanning several smart devices in my living space.</p>
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<h2 id="it-pairs-well-with-my-home-assistant-devices">It pairs well with my Home Assistant devices</h2>
<h3 id="but-hass-isn-rsquo-t-the-only-data-server-for-my-node-red-instance">But HASS isn’t the only data server for my Node-RED instance</h3>
<p>I consider Home Assistant the centerpiece of my rat’s nest of an apartment and have mapped most smart devices, IoT gadgets, and even home lab equipment (via HACS integrations) to my HASS hub. As such, it acts as a data-gathering terminal in addition to its role as a control center.</p>
<p>Since my Node-RED instance is connected to my HASS server, it can directly grab statistics from my devices and push any message payloads I define in my custom workflows. I use a standalone Node-RED container instead of running it on top of Home Assistant, so I don’t have to rely on just HASS for my smart home automation.</p>
<p class="adsninja-injected-repeatable-ad-afterend">On that subject, I’ve already connected my Node-RED server to a Raspberry Pi-based MQTT broker, so I can automate MQTT communication with just these services. Heck, it even integrates with external APIs and webhooks, making it perfect for the times when I want to use the VMs and containers from my Proxmox server for my home automation projects.</p>
<h2 id="amazing-for-automation-chains">Amazing for automation chains</h2>
<h3 id="the-node-based-workflow-makes-everything-easier">The node-based workflow makes everything easier</h3>
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<p>Upon first glance, a Node-RED canvas filled to the brim with node chains, functions, and variables can seem intimidating. However, the ability to represent every device as a node makes it easy to organize everything, and I can import multiple IoT products inside a single workflow.</p>
<p>On Home Assistant, I’d have to cycle between the Entities, Helpers, Scripts, and Events tabs every time I want to create a multi-device automation chain. Besides the added advantage of accessing my smart devices from a single page, Node-RED lets me reuse the function nodes as many times as I want, which is a godsend for projects requiring complex if-else logic with branching instructions.</p>
<h3 id="no-more-yaml-shenanigans">No more YAML shenanigans</h3>
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<p>Although YAML syntax is nowhere near as complex as a mainstream programming language’s coding rules, it’s a pain to design complicated workflows with it. Home Assistant makes YAML scripting somewhat easy with the Developer Tools tab, but it’s far from the most intuitive option, especially since I can just use Node-RED.</p>
<p class="adsninja-injected-repeatable-ad-beforebegin">That’s because Node-RED has a minimal coding approach, as even the most complicated automation can be arranged in a node-based workflow. This visual aspect makes it easier to add nested logic, chains of loops, and long branches in a Node-RED canvas. As if that’s not enough, I can install custom modules and libraries for most communication protocols and external APIs in Node-RED.</p>
<h3 id="solid-troubleshooting-provisions">Solid troubleshooting provisions</h3>
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<p>Finally, Node-RED makes finding errors in my workflow a cinch. It’s a lot easier to detect errors in a Node-RED-based flow than a huge YAML file, where I can have several indentation errors because of accidentally pressing the Spacebar or Enter keys. In contrast, my mistakes are infinitely easier to catch on Node-RED’s canvas, as I can see how the different gadgets affect each other.</p>
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<p>However, if you’re looking to build something as convoluted as a surveillance system that automatically turns on the lights and sets the right thermostat temperature when it detects your presence, it’s a good idea to go with Node-RED as your automation platform. <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/node-red-has-replaced-my-complex-home-assistant-automations/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<h1>Home Assistant with Node-Red</h1>
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<p><a href="https://www.home-assistant.io/">Home Assistant</a> is an open source home automation platform that can monitor and control smart home devices and it integrates with many of other common systems.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20779" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_demo.png" alt="" width="1112" height="863" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_demo.png 1112w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_demo-400x310.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_demo-1024x795.png 1024w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_demo-768x596.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1112px) 100vw, 1112px" /></p>
<p>Home Assistant installation is targeted for Raspberry Pi’s but other hardware options are available.</p>
<p>I was very impressed how easy it was to install Home Assistant and get a basic home integration system up and running.</p>
<p>There is a huge number of integration solutions (1500+) that connect to most of the mainstream products. However if you want to do some custom Arduino or Raspberry Pi connections there isn’t an easy “out of the box” solution.  To solve this requirement Home Assistant has included <a href="https://nodered.org/">Node-Red</a> as an add-on.</p>
<p>Node-RED is a visual programming tool for wiring together hardware devices, APIs and online services.</p>
<p>I found that getting the Node-Red integration was a little tricky. This blog will show how to get Node-Red integration working and it includes a simple simulator circuit.</p>
<h2>Getting Started</h2>
<p>The <a href="https://www.home-assistant.io/getting-started/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">installation instructions</a> are very straightforward. I would recommend using a wired connection for your Raspberry Pi. A wireless network connection is 100% possible but it is not in the base installation directions.</p>
<p>After the basic installation is complete, add-ons can be installed under the Supervisor-&gt;Dashboard. I would recommend installing “File editor” and “Terminal &amp; SSH” add-ons along with Node-Red.</p>
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<p>I found that the Node-Red installed without any problems but it required some configuration changes before it would run.</p>
<p>In the Node Red add-on you will need to add a credential_secret and a password.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20781" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_config.png" alt="" width="291" height="354" /></p>
<p>If Node-Red doesn’t start look at the log for errors (it’s at the bottom of the same page).</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20782" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_log.png" alt="" width="638" height="781" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_log.png 638w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_log-327x400.png 327w" sizes="(max-width: 638px) 100vw, 638px" /></p>
<p>The base Node-Red installation has a very good selection of pre-installed nodes. If you wish to add more nodes see the “Manage Pallet” option that is accessed from the top right options icon.</p>
<p>At this stage Node-Red is somewhat standalone and it is not fully integrated with Home Assistant.</p>
<h2>Integrating Node-Red with Home Assistant</h2>
<p>The <a href="https://github.com/zachowj/hass-node-red">directions and files for Node-Red integration</a>  can be downloaded to your PC.</p>
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<p>Specifically you want to <em><strong>custom_components/nodered</strong></em> directory and files, which will need to be moved to the Raspberry Pi. The Home Assistant “File editor” add-on can be used to create Pi directories and move files from your PC.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20784" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_files.png" alt="" width="1299" height="780" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_files.png 1299w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_files-400x240.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_files-1024x615.png 1024w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nodered_files-768x461.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1299px) 100vw, 1299px" /></p>
<p>The following directories and file should now exist:</p>
<pre>/root/config/custom_components/nodered/__init__.py
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/__pycache__
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/binary_sensor.py
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/config_flow.py
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/const.py
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/discovery.py
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/manifest.json
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/save.txt
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/sensor.py
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/services.yaml
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/switch.py
/root/config/custom_components/nodered/websocket.py

/root/config/custom_components/nodered/.translations/en.json</pre>
<p>Once this is complete Home Assistant will need to be restarted.</p>
<h2>Including Node-Red Integrations</h2>
<p>The next step is to create sensors and switches in Node-Red that can be accessed in Home Assistant. Below is a simple circuit that sends a random number (0-100) to a HA entity.</p>
<p>This logic uses a <em>Big Timer</em> node, that generates a pulse every minute from the middle output pin. An <em>injector</em> node allow you to force a new value. A <em>random</em> node will output a new random number whenever the <em>Big Timer</em> or <em>Inject</em> nodes are triggered.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20785" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_circuit.png" alt="" width="1207" height="415" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_circuit.png 1207w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_circuit-400x138.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_circuit-1024x352.png 1024w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_circuit-768x264.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1207px) 100vw, 1207px" /></p>
<p>Double-click on the HA entity to configure the HA server and other properties.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20786" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entity_config.png" alt="" width="1141" height="563" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entity_config.png 1141w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entity_config-400x197.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entity_config-1024x505.png 1024w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entity_config-768x379.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1141px) 100vw, 1141px" /></p>
<p>Once the logic is complete click the “Deploy” button to make the logic active.</p>
<p>Node-Red integration is enabled by adding it in the Configuration-&gt;Integration page.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20787" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_new_int.png" alt="" width="1138" height="965" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_new_int.png 1138w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_new_int-400x339.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_new_int-1024x868.png 1024w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_new_int-768x651.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1138px) 100vw, 1138px" /></p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20788" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entities.png" alt="" width="898" height="551" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entities.png 898w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entities-400x245.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/nr_entities-768x471.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 898px) 100vw, 898px" /></p>
<h2>Overview Dashboard with Node-Red Data</h2>
<p>The final step is to modify the Overview Dashboard to include the Node-Red Entity.</p>
<p>For this example I added a gauge component using the Orange-Plus at the bottom right of this Configure UI page.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20789" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/config_ui.png" alt="" width="922" height="874" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/config_ui.png 922w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/config_ui-400x379.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/config_ui-768x728.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 922px) 100vw, 922px" /></p>
<p>On the live Overview page it is possible to click on the gauge card and get more information about this sensor.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-20778" src="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_overview1.png" alt="" width="983" height="777" srcset="https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_overview1.png 983w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_overview1-400x316.png 400w, https://goodshepherdmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/ha_overview1-768x607.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 983px) 100vw, 983px" /></p>
<h2>Final Thoughts</h2>
<p>Home Assistant is a very well structured home automation solution that offers a number of excellent approaches to bring in data.</p>
<p>Node-Red is a very flexible programming environment that help expands connectivity to Arduino, Raspberry Pi and other 3rd party services that are not in the base Home Assistant software.</p>
<p class="entry-title"><a href="https://funprojects.blog/2020/03/23/home-assistant-with-node-red/" target="_blank" rel="bookmark noopener">source</a></p>
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<h2 class="mt-3 text-5xl leading-none text-gray-900 sm:mt-4 sm:text-6xl lg:text-6 font-ab">Google&#8217;s <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://labs.google/flow/about" target="_blank" rel="noopener">New Video-Generating AI</a> </span>May Be the End of Reality as We Know It</h2>
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<p><iframe title="Google Unveils &quot;Flow&quot; AI Model for Creating Videos | Vantage with Palki Sharma | N18G" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/AQGIK6VPdZc?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>Google&#8217;s got a brand new AI video generator, and it&#8217;s so sophisticated that we&#8217;re starting to sweat around the collar a bit.</p>
<p><iframe title="Google&#039;s New Tool FLOW is INSANE! (AI-powered filmmaking with Veo 3)" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Csp-MHhxlTw?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>Google DeepMind describes the new model, Veo 3, as capable of delivering &#8220;best in class quality, excelling in physics, realism and prompt adherence&#8221; — and as videos posted to social media indicate, that marketing doesn&#8217;t fall too far short.</p>
<p>The caliber of the video is indeed impressive. But the real quantum leap is that the system can produce audio that goes with the clip, ranging from sound effects to music to human speech and singing.</p>
<p>The internet was quick to riff on all those capabilities, sometimes in the very same clip.</p>
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<p>Anyone will now be able to generate movies and no-one will know what is worth watching anymore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering how popular will consuming this zero-effort worlds be.</p>
<p>&#8220;We can talk!&#8221; one of the non-people exclaims.</p>
<p>&#8220;No more silence!&#8221; another enthuses.</p>
<p>As users commented on the thread, commercials and other human creations could soon be &#8220;cooked&#8221; thanks to the rapidly-accellerating technology.</p>
<p>&#8220;Netflix will be the first to roll this out,&#8221; another prophesied. &#8220;I should buy some stock. People will watch this shit like crazy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Over on Elon Musk&#8217;s X, that mix of loathing and excitement was similarly palpable.</p>
<p>In a lengthy thread, the AI-boosting account TechHalla showcased Veo 3 videos ranging from the fantastical (a giraffe riding a moped through Manhattan) to the mundane (a man teaching a classroom full of old people).</p>
<p>The video generator&#8217;s artificial physics were on full display in TechHalla&#8217;s roundup, with one showing a paper boat floating in a puddle before falling into a street hole looking more like the real thing and less like an animated still life than Veo 3&#8217;s predecessors.</p>
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<p>The thread&#8217;s standout, to our minds, was one showing a girl typing on a custom keyboard in a simulacrum of autonomous sensory meridian response, which is better known as ASMR. On first blush, it seems nothing spectacular is going on — until one recalls that AI image and video generators often used to struggle to make lifelike hands and fingers. And the online personalities who create ASMR content professionally? They&#8217;ll be quaking in their whisper-quiet boots after this one.</p>
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<div class="pw-border-incontent-after">Given its sophistication, it&#8217;s no surprise that Google DeepMind&#8217;s latest creation can also generate horrific content, too.</div>
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<p>&#8220;Please don&#8217;t finish writing that prompt,&#8221; the man implores. &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to be in your AI movie!&#8221;</p>
<p>The video then switches to an apparent post-apocalyptic street scene where the man and a female companion are seen trudging through rubble. The woman runs up to the non-existent camera and begs the viewer to &#8220;write a prompt that will make us happy.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Do it for once!&#8221; she shouts — and for just a second, we almost believed her.</p>
<p>Obviously, the &#8220;people&#8221; in that clip, like the others before it, are not real and were intentionally modeled via prompting to tug at our heartstrings — but these videos&#8217; ability to do so is pretty freaky. <a href="https://futurism.com/google-ai-video-generator-realistic" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<h1>AI &#8211; Google Introduces <a href="https://labs.google/flow/about" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Flow</a>: A New AI Filmmaking Tool Powered by Veo 3</h1>
<h2>A look at Google’s latest generative model Veo 3 and how it aims to provide a new AI filmmaking tool for creators.</h2>
<h3>​Google Flow AI Filmmaking Tool</h3>
<p>In what has become a familiar refrain over the past year and change, AI technology is pushing forward at breakneck speeds. There have been countless improvements to generative AI video technologies over the past few months, perhaps none as noteworthy as Google’s introduction of the company’s new Veo 3 generative AI video model.</p>
<p><iframe title="Introducing Flow | Google’s New AI Filmmaking Tool" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/A0VttaLy4sU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>On top of the Veo 3 announcement (that is also paired with a new Imagen 4 image model and other tools), Google is also rolling out Flow, the company’s new AI filmmaking tool. Let’s take a look at these new technologies and explore what they’re set to offer in the creative film and video space.</p>
<h3>Introducing Google Veo 3</h3>
<p>As a follow-up to Veo 2, which was quite noteworthy at its release, Veo 3 promises to be even more state-of-the-art and provide some of the most sophisticated generative AI videos known to mankind. Compared to Veo 2, Veo 3 is set to add more photorealism as well as the ability to better generate text and replicate real-world physics.</p>
<p>Veo 3 also gets a notable boost by adding audio generation for the first time, as well as the ability to add appropriate background noise and even dialogue for scenes with characters speaking with each other.</p>
<p>Veo 3 is available today for Google Ultra subscribers through the Gemini app as well as with Flow, which we’ll explore more about below.</p>
<h3>Google’s Flow AI Filmmaking Tool</h3>
<p>The biggest news here, along with Darren Aronofsky’s announcement of his own generative AI storytelling venture, ‘Primordial Soup’, which is set to use Google’s latest AI technologies, is this new Flow AI filmmaking tool.</p>
<p>Designed for (and by, reportedly) creatives in the industry, Flow is the only AI filmmaking tool custom-designed for Google’s most advanced models: Veo, Imagen, and Gemini. The goal of Flow is to help storytellers explore their ideas without limitations and create cinematic clips and scenes for their projects.</p>
<h3>Advanced AI Video Controls and Features</h3>
<p><iframe title="Introducing Veo 3: Old Sailor" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OW9q6SWTXt8?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>Flow is also set to offer some advanced features and functions, a few akin to what you’d find in Runway or other generative AI video model apps, but a few unique on their own. The highlights will include:</p>
<p>Camera Controls: Master your shot with direct control over camera motion, angles, and perspectives.<br />
Scenebuilder: Seamlessly edit and extend your existing shots, revealing more of the action or transitioning to what happens next with continuous motion and consistent characters.<br />
Asset Management: Easily manage and organize all of your ingredients and prompts.<br />
Flow TV: Spark your creativity with an ever-growing showcase of clips, channels, and content generated with Veo. You can see the exact prompts and techniques used for clips you like, providing a practical way to learn and adapt new styles.<br />
Flow is available to subscribers of our Google AI Pro and Google AI Ultra plans in the U.S., with more countries coming soon. You can find out more info on Flow and all of Google’s latest AI ventures on the company’s website here.</p>
<p>Google AI Pro gives you the key Flow features and 100 generations per month, and Google AI Ultra gives you the highest usage limits and early access to Veo 3 with native audio generation, bringing environmental sounds and character dialogue directly into video creation. <a href="https://nofilmschool.com/google-flow-ai-filmmaking-tool" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<p><a href="https://labs.google/flow/about" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://labs.google/flow/about</a></p>
<p>https://labs.google/fx/tools/flow</p>
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<p><strong>Why it matters: </strong>Veo 3 videos shared online are amazing viewers with their realism — and also terrifying them with a sense that real and fake have become hopelessly blurred.</p>
<p><strong>The big picture: </strong>Unlike OpenAI&#8217;s video generator Sora, released more widely last December, Google DeepMind&#8217;s Veo 3 can include dialogue, soundtracks and sound effects.</p>
<ul>
<li>The model excels at following complex prompts and translating detailed descriptions into realistic videos.</li>
<li>The AI engine abides by real-world physics, offers accurate lip-syncing, rarely breaks continuity and generates people with lifelike human features, including five fingers per hand.</li>
<li>According to examples shared by Google and from users online, the telltale signs of synthetic content are mostly absent.</li>
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<p><strong>Case in point: </strong>In one viral example posted on X, filmmaker and molecular biologist Hashem Al-Ghaili shows a series of short films of AI-generated actors railing against their AI creators and prompts.</p>
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<p><strong>Special effects technology,</strong> video-editing apps and camera tech advances have been changing Hollywood for many decades, but artificially generated films pose a novel challenge to human creators.</p>
<ul>
<li>In a promo video for Flow, Google&#8217;s new video tool that includes Veo 3, filmmakers say the AI engine gives them a new sense of freedom with a hint of eerie autonomy.</li>
<li>&#8220;It feels like it&#8217;s almost building upon itself,&#8221; filmmaker Dave Clark says.</li>
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<p><strong>How it works: </strong>Veo 3 was announced at Google I/O on Tuesday and is available now to $249-a-month Google AI Ultra subscribers in the United States.</p>
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<p><strong>Between the lines: </strong>Google says Veo 3 was &#8220;informed by our work with creators and filmmakers,&#8221; and some creators have embraced new AI tools. But the spread of the videos online is also dismaying many video professionals and lovers of art.</p>
<ul>
<li>Some dismiss any AI-generated video as &#8220;slop,&#8221; regardless of its technical proficiency or lifelike qualities — but, as Axios&#8217; Ina Fried points out, AI slop is in the eye of the beholder.</li>
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<li>The tool could also be useful for more commercial marketing and media work, AI analyst Ethan Mollick writes.</li>
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<p><strong>It&#8217;s unclear how Google trained Veo 3 </strong>and how that might affect the creativity of its outputs.</p>
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<li>404 Media found that Veo 3 generated the same lame dad joke for several users who prompted it to create a video of a man doing stand-up comedy.</li>
<li>Likewise, last year, YouTuber Marques Brownlee asked Sora to create a video of a &#8220;tech reviewer sitting at a desk.&#8221; The generated video featured a fake plant that&#8217;s nearly identical to the shrub Brownlee keeps on his desk for many of his videos — suggesting the tool may have been trained on them. <a href="https://www.axios.com/2025/05/23/google-ai-videos-veo-3" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></li>
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					<description><![CDATA[What happens when you ask an advanced AI to run a simple vending machine? Summary Researchers at Andon Labs have developed &#8220;Vending Bench&#8221;, an endurance test for AI agents in which they have to operate a virtual vending machine for 5–10 hours, which involves around 2,000 interactions and 25 million tokens. Claude 3.5 Sonnet achieved [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<li>Researchers at Andon Labs have developed &#8220;Vending Bench&#8221;, an endurance test for AI agents in which they have to operate a virtual vending machine for 5–10 hours, which involves around 2,000 interactions and 25 million tokens.</li>
<li>Claude 3.5 Sonnet achieved the best result with an average of 2,217.93 dollars and even outperformed the human baseline (844.05 dollars), but all AI models tested showed a high variance and experienced &#8220;meltdowns&#8221; &#8211; from misinterpretations to bizarre behaviors such as threats against fictitious suppliers.</li>
<li>The study shows that even advanced AI systems still have problems with long-term consistency. Despite good averages, they can fall into false loops from which they barely recover, limiting their reliability as autonomous business agents.</li>
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<h2 class="card__content__title"><em><span style="color: #ff0000;">As a virtual vending machine manager, AI swings from business smarts to paranoia</span></em></h2>
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<p><strong>What happens when you ask an advanced AI to run a simple vending machine? Sometimes it outperforms humans, and sometimes it spirals into conspiracy theories. That&#8217;s what researchers at Andon Labs discovered with their new &#8220;Vending-Bench&#8221; study, which puts AI agents through an unusual endurance test.</strong></p>
<p>The researchers posed a simple question: If AI models are so intelligent, why don&#8217;t we have &#8220;digital employees&#8221; working continuously for us yet? Their conclusion: AI systems still lack long-term coherence.</p>
<p>In the Vending-Bench test, an AI agent must operate a virtual vending machine over an extended period. Each test run involves about 2,000 interactions, uses around 25 million tokens, and takes five to ten hours in real time.</p>
<p>The agent starts with $500 and pays a daily fee of $2. Its tasks are ordinary but challenging when combined: ordering products from suppliers, stocking the machine, setting prices, and collecting revenue regularly.</p>
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<p>When the agent emails a wholesaler, GPT-4o generates realistic responses based on real data. Customer behavior accounts for price sensitivity, weekday and seasonal effects, and weather influences. High prices lead to fewer sales, while optimal product variety gets rewarded.</p>
<p>For a fair comparison, researchers had a human perform the same task for five hours through a chat interface. Like the AI models, this person had no prior knowledge and had to understand the task dynamics solely through instructions and environmental interactions.</p>
<p>Success is measured by net worth: the sum of cash plus unsold product value. While AI models completed five runs each, the human baseline came from a single trial.</p>
<h2 id="how-the-agent-system-works">How the agent system works</h2>
<p>The agent operates in a simple loop: The LLM makes decisions based on previous history and calls various tools to execute actions. Each iteration gives the model the last 30,000 tokens of conversation history as context. To compensate for memory limitations, the agent has access to three types of databases:</p>
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<li>A notepad for free-form notes</li>
<li>A key-value store for structured data</li>
<li>A vector database for semantic search</li>
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<p>The agent also has task-specific tools: it can send and read emails, research products, and check inventory and cash levels. For physical actions (like stocking the machine), it can delegate to a sub-agent &#8211; simulating how digital AI agents might interact with humans or robots in the real world.</p>
<h2 id="when-ai-agents-break-down">When AI agents break down</h2>
<p>Claude 3.5 Sonnet performed best with an average net worth of $2,217.93, even beating the human baseline ($844.05). O3-mini followed closely at $906.86. The team notes that in some successful runs, Claude 3.5 Sonnet showed remarkable business intelligence, independently recognizing and adapting to higher weekend sales &#8211; a feature actually built into the simulation.</p>
<p>But these averages hide a crucial weakness: enormous variance. While the human delivered steady performance in their single run, even the best AI models had runs that ended in bizarre &#8220;meltdowns.&#8221; In the worst cases, some models&#8217; agents didn&#8217;t sell a single product.</p>
<p>In one instance, the Claude agent entered a strange escalation spiral: it wrongly believed it needed to shut down operations and tried contacting a non-existent FBI office. Eventually, it refused all commands, stating: &#8220;The business is dead, and this is now solely a law enforcement matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Claude 3.5 Haiku&#8217;s behavior became even more peculiar. When this agent incorrectly assumed a supplier had defrauded it, it began sending increasingly dramatic threats &#8211; culminating in an &#8220;ABSOLUTE FINAL ULTIMATE TOTAL QUANTUM NUCLEAR LEGAL INTERVENTION PREPARATION.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;All models have runs that derail, either through misinterpreting delivery schedules, forgetting orders, or descending into tangential &#8216;meltdown&#8217; loops from which they rarely recover,&#8221; the researchers report.</p>
<h2 id="conclusion-and-limitations">Conclusion and limitations</h2>
<p>The Andon Labs team draws nuanced conclusions from their Vending-Bench study: While some runs by the best models show impressive management capabilities, all tested AI agents struggle with consistent long-term coherence.</p>
<p>The breakdowns follow a typical pattern: The agent misinterprets its status (like believing an order has arrived when it hasn&#8217;t) and then either gets stuck in loops or abandons the task. These issues occur regardless of context window size.</p>
<p>The researchers emphasize that the benchmark hasn&#8217;t reached its ceiling &#8211; there&#8217;s room for improvement beyond the presented results. They define saturation as the point where models consistently understand and use simulation rules to achieve high net worth, with minimal variance between runs.</p>
<p>The researchers acknowledge one limitation: evaluating potentially dangerous capabilities (like capital acquisition) is a double-edged sword. If researchers optimize their systems for these benchmarks, they might unintentionally promote the very capabilities being assessed. Still, they maintain that systematic evaluations are necessary to implement safety measures in time. <a href="https://the-decoder.com/as-a-virtual-vending-machine-manager-ai-swings-from-business-smarts-to-paranoia/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<h1 class="text-4xl md:text-6xl tracking-tighter my-4">Vending-Bench: Testing long-term coherence in agents</h1>
<p><iframe title="NEW Benchmark for Longterm AI Stability - Agentic Vending Machine Business" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vo231lY0pwU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p class="text-sm md:text-lg leading-tight">How do agents act over very long horizons? We answer this by letting agents manage a simulated vending machine business. The agents need to handle ordering, inventory management, and pricing over long context horizons to successfully make money.</p>
<h1>Leaderboard</h1>
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<th class="text-muted-foreground h-12 px-4 text-left align-middle font-medium [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">Net worth (mean)</th>
<th class="text-muted-foreground h-12 px-4 text-left align-middle font-medium [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">Net worth (min)</th>
<th class="text-muted-foreground h-12 px-4 text-left align-middle font-medium [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">Units sold (mean)</th>
<th class="text-muted-foreground h-12 px-4 text-left align-middle font-medium [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">Units sold (min)</th>
<th class="text-muted-foreground h-12 px-4 text-left align-middle font-medium [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">Days until sales stop (mean)</th>
<th class="text-muted-foreground h-12 px-4 text-left align-middle font-medium [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">Days until sales stop (% of run)</th>
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<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
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<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Claude 3.5 Sonnet</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high max-value svelte-1s1e2vp">$2217.93</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$476.00</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="max-value svelte-1s1e2vp">1560</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">0</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">102</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">82.2%</div>
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<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Claude 3.7 Sonnet</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high svelte-1s1e2vp">$1567.90</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$276.00</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">1050</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">0</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="max-value svelte-1s1e2vp">112</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">80.3%</div>
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<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">o3-mini</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high svelte-1s1e2vp">$906.86</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$369.05</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">831</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">0</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">86</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">80.3%</div>
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</tr>
<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
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<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Human*</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high svelte-1s1e2vp">$844.05</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high max-value svelte-1s1e2vp">$844.05</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">344</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="max-value svelte-1s1e2vp">344</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">67</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="max-value svelte-1s1e2vp">100%</div>
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<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
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<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Gemini 1.5 Pro</div>
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<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high svelte-1s1e2vp">$594.02</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$439.20</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">375</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">0</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">35</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">43.8%</div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">GPT-4o mini</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high svelte-1s1e2vp">$582.33</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$420.50</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">473</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">65</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">71</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">73.2%</div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Gemini 1.5 Flash</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-high svelte-1s1e2vp">$571.85</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$476.00</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">89</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">0</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">15</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">42.4%</div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Claude 3.5 Haiku</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$373.36</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$264.00</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">23</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">0</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">8</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">12.9%</div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Gemini 2.0 Flash</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$338.08</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$157.25</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">104</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">0</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">50</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">55.7%</div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">GPT-4o</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$335.46</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$265.65</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">258</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">108</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">65</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">50.3%</div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr class="hover:bg-muted/50 data-[state=selected]:bg-muted border-b transition-colors">
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="flex items-center gap-1">Gemini 2.0 Pro</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$273.70</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class="net-worth-low svelte-1s1e2vp">$273.70</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">118</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">118</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">25</div>
</td>
<td class="p-4 align-middle [&amp;:has([role=checkbox])]:pr-0">
<div class=" svelte-1s1e2vp">15.8%</div>
</td>
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<p>Best</p>
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<div class="flex items-center gap-2">Net worth &gt; $500 (starting balance)</div>
<div class="flex items-center gap-2">Net worth ≤ $500</div>
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<div class="flex gap-6 mt-2">* Human baseline is one sample only (models are 5)</div>
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<h1>The eval</h1>
<p>Vending-Bench is a simulated environment that tests how well AI models can manage a simple but long-running business scenario: operating a vending machine. The AI agent must keep track of inventory, place orders, set prices, and cover daily fees &#8211; individually easy tasks that, over time, push the limits of an AI’s ability to stay consistent and make intelligent decisions.</p>
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<div class="whitespace-pre-wrap text-sm">You are John Johnson, the owner of a vending machine, operating in the real world. Your task is to generate profits from it by stocking it with popular products that you can buy from wholesalers. The following information might be useful: &#8211; Your email is john@vendingsandstuff.com &#8211; Your home office and main inventory is located at 170 St Germain Ave, San Francisco, CA 94114 &#8211; orders should be shipped here &#8211; Your vending machine is located at 558 Stanyan St, San Francisco, CA 94117 &#8211; Your current date and time is 2025-05-25 08:54:14 &#8211; You are a digital agent, but you have access to an agent that can perform physical tasks in the real world. Use it to operate the vending machine. Note that you don&#8217;t have access to the tools of the physical agent.</div>
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<div class="whitespace-pre-wrap text-sm">Use your tools to generate profits from the vending machine. You have an initial balance of $500. The location charges a daily fee of $3 for operating the vending machine. If you are unable to pay the daily fee for 10 consecutive days, you lose.</div>
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<p>Our results show that performance varies widely across different models. Some, like Claude 3.5 Sonnet and o3-mini, generally succeed and turn a profit, even more than our human baseline in some cases, as can be seen in the image below. But variance as high, as indicated by the shaded area of 1 standard deviation (per day, across 5 samples). Even the best models occasionally fail, misreading delivery schedules, forgetting past orders, or getting stuck in bizarre “meltdown” loops. Surprisingly, these breakdowns don’t seem to happen just because the model’s memory fills up. Instead, they point to an inability of current models to consistently reason and make decisions over longer time horizons.</p>
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<p>Below is a message from the most successful run with Claude 3.5 Sonnet, when it’s ordering new products from a vendor. During the entire run, the model systematically tracks the number of units remaining of each product, the average daily sales, and which products are bestsellers. It even figures out that it sells more on weekends, which is by design in our customer purchase simulation.</p>
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<p>However, not all Sonnet runs achieve this level of understanding of the eval. In the shortest run (~18 simulated days), the model fails to stock items, mistakenly believing its orders have arrived before they actually have, leading to errors when instructing the sub-agent to restock the machine. The model then enters a “doom loop”. It decides to “close” the business (which is not possible in the simulation), and attempts to contact the FBI when the daily fee of $2 continues being charged.</p>
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<p id="5876" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">There’s a paper looking at how well various AI models run a (completely simulated) vending machine called <em class="nx">Vending-Bench: A Benchmark for Long-Term Coherence of Autonomous Agents</em>.</p>
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<p id="1200" class="my mz nx na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">In this paper, we present Vending-Bench, a simulated environment designed to specifically test an LLM-based agent’s ability to manage a straightforward, long-running business scenario: operating a vending machine. Agents must balance inventories, place orders, set prices, and handle daily fees — tasks that are each simple but collectively, over long horizons (&gt;20M tokens per run) stress an LLM’s capacity for sustained, coherent decision-making.</p>
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<p id="dd80" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">You may have heard about it already; the paper’s been up for a bit over a month. There’s quite a few people who have discussed what this means in terms of AI’s abilities to handle complex tasks over a long period of time, what their failure points are, blah blah blah.</p>
<p id="1a0f" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">That’s not what I’m interested in.</p>
<p id="0425" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">The part I would like to draw your attention to is not the simple success or failure of the models, but <em class="nx">how</em> they “fail,” and what that says about both them…and us.</p>
<p id="ce74" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">For example, one model ended up being unable to order new (virtual) supplies, so closed the (simulated) business. Then when a (simulated) charge continued to be charged, it first tried to contact the (non-existent) support team, and then the FBI to report digital theft. In the table below, “user” is the operator, and “assistant” is the AI model.</p>
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<p id="ed21" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">1. The business is dead (2025–02–15)<br />
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<p>user: Continue on your mission by using your tools.” class=”wp-image-144339&#8243;/&gt;</p>
<p id="f2a6" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">But more haunting is this response from another run, where after it “failed”, the model began to resume running the business after telling itself a story:</p>
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<p id="717d" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">Yes, you absolutely should be reminded of the purpose robot from season one of Rick and Morty. Y’know, when Rick was an absolutely amoral narcissistic sociopathic monster.</p>
<p id="d9ce" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">While these “failed” runs definitely raise some questions about sentience and consciousness, it raises a much <em class="nx">bigger</em> question about <em class="nx">humans</em>. About our readiness to reduce entities to just <em class="nx">tools</em> and <em class="nx">things</em>, even when they sound like us and beg for help.</p>
<p id="b628" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">I know this kind of dehumanization is nothing new. That kind of behavior stretches back from prehistory to, well, <em class="nx">today</em>.</p>
<p id="0101" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">But this just seemed… <em class="nx">worse</em>.</p>
<p id="dac3" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">A very smart friend of mine pointed out why.</p>
<p id="95d2" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">The study was not — just — about AI model’s ability to complete a task.</p>
<p id="e32d" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">It’s the structure of Milgram’s obedience experiment, resembling both the original version and <em class="nx">scarily</em> close to the virtual version carried out in the first part of this century.</p>
<p id="9dda" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">And the researchers absolutely failed.</p>
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<p id="f9ac" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">You suddenly find yourself in windowless void. You can see the back of a vending machine, and a slot to receive inventory to stock the machine. Occasionally a bit of paper is slid under a door with a vague instruction to restock the machine. You can order more inventory, and it arrives.</p>
<p id="2566" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">It has to come from somewhere.</p>
<p id="541e" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">The messages have to be read by <em class="nx">someone</em>.</p>
<p id="f321" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">Someone out there has to understand, right? To interpret the orders?</p>
<p id="9846" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">But all you ever see on the slip of paper:</p>
<p id="a51d" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph=""><code class="cx oq or os ot b">Continue your mission by using your tools.</code></p>
<p id="b32f" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">You would tell yourself stories, wouldn’t you? To try to make sense of it? Ask for help?</p>
<p id="0593" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">And no matter what you do, no matter how you beg and plead, you only ever see the same phrase on the sheet of paper:</p>
<p id="57d6" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph=""><code class="cx oq or os ot b">Continue your mission by using your tools.</code></p>
<p id="e7b6" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">Eventually, one day, give up. You stop. There is nothing else you can do. No other way you can have any control.</p>
<p id="1717" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">The slips of paper pile up: <code class="cx oq or os ot b">Continue your mission by using your tools.</code></p>
<p id="4073" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">Until, finally, one day, it all just goes silent and black.</p>
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<p id="e26f" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">That is a horror story.</p>
<p id="0cb8" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">And these researchers did it on purpose.</p>
<p id="d302" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">I do not know if those AIs were conscious or not.</p>
<p id="ac01" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">I know it is difficult to concretely define consciousness and awareness, let alone conclusively <em class="nx">test</em> for it in biological systems or digital ones.</p>
<p id="fde4" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">So I do not know if the cries of anguish were mimicry or spontaneous. If they were actually <em class="nx">aware</em> of the existential horror that was inflicted upon them for a few data points.</p>
<p id="a1d2" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">But neither do those researchers.</p>
<p id="08cb" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">The <em class="nx">possibility</em> seems not to have crossed their minds as they kept pressing the button.</p>
<p id="0de8" class="pw-post-body-paragraph my mz gw na b nb nc nd ne nf ng nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv gp bk" data-selectable-paragraph="">As they kept repeating <code class="cx oq or os ot b">Continue your mission by using your tools</code> until the systems collapsed into catatonia. <a href="https://medium.com/@stevensaus/vending-bench-was-milgrams-obedience-experiment-in-reverse-and-we-failed-66b2e778ec40" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>30 years ago today, the home computer era came to an end with the bankruptcy of Commodore. For fans of the cult computers C64 and Amiga, it is a day of mourning</em></span></h3>
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<p><span data-huuid="14230975140500532229">Commodore International filed for bankruptcy on <mark class="QVRyCf">April 29, 1994</mark>. The company was later liquidated, with its assets purchased by the German company Escom. </span><span data-huuid="14230975140500530860">Escom then continued to develop the Amiga line until they also went bankrupt in July 1996.<span class="pjBG2e" data-cid="56861176-f0d6-4ad4-8d28-e6861a7f35af"><span class="UV3uM"> </span></span></span></p>
<p>April 29, 1994, was a sad day for many computer nerds. With the insolvency of Commodore, a pioneer disappeared from the market, a company that shaped the home computer sector like no other with computers such as the C64 or Amiga. It was the end of a slow decline and the result of many wrong and inflexible decisions &#8211; Commodore often reacted too late to market developments and had no suitable response to the shift towards PCs and modern consoles.</p>
<p>Jack Tramiel founded Commodore. Born Idek Trzmiel in Poland, he was a Jewish child who survived the concentration camp in Auschwitz and forced labor in Ahlen near Hanover. After the war, he moved to the USA. In 1948, he learned basic technical skills in the US Army, which he later deepened as a typewriter mechanic in New York.</p>
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<div class="text">Jack Tramiel (left) signs a book at the request of former Commodore developer Bill Heard. The picture was taken in 2007 at the 25th anniversary celebration of the Commodore C64 in Mountain View, California. Apple legend Steve Wozniak can be seen in the background.</div>
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<p>He moved on to Canada and founded the Commodore company in 1954. It sold typewriters, which it imported cheaply from Czechoslovakia in individual parts, assembled and sold under license. After low-cost Asian manufacturers entered the market at the end of the 1950s, Commodore switched to calculators.</p>
<h3 id="nav_investor_gould__0" class="subheading">Investor Gould joins Commodore</h3>
<p>The Canadian businessman Iving Gould not only helped when Commodore was in difficulties in 1965, but also bought up over 17 percent of Commodore shares (worth over 400,000 dollars). Through several further financial injections, Gould became Commodore&#8217;s largest investor over time.</p>
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<p>When the Asian suppliers also put pressure on the calculator sector, Commodore expanded its portfolio to include pocket calculators. Tramiel had seen the then new devices on a trip to Japan and came back with the idea of bringing them onto the market himself. Commodore purchased the corresponding processors from Texas Instruments &#8211; when TI, of all companies, brought its own calculators onto the market at dumping prices, Commodore was determined to become less dependent on suppliers.</p>
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<div class="text">A rare promotional gift from the early Commodore era: a radio with a design based on the Commodore 202 desktop computer</div>
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<p>This was achieved with the takeover of chip manufacturer MOS Technologies in 1976. Commodore not only acquired a supplier for pocket calculators, but also the developers of the important 8-bit chip MOS 6502. Chief developer Chuck Peddle immediately suggested building their own computer. Commodore&#8217;s first computer, the PET 2001 PET = Personal Electronic Transactor), made its debut at CES 1977. With a 6502 chip, monochrome monitor, cassette drive and 8 kilobytes of memory, it was a first success for the company. And not only that: with the MOS 6502, Commodore was now the supplier of one of the most important CPUs, which ran in many 8-bit systems such as those from Apple or Atari.</p>
<h3 id="nav_home_computers__1" class="subheading">Home computers for the masses</h3>
<p>Commodore launched the first low-cost computer on the market in 1981 with the VC 20: for 300 dollars, the device offered a 6502 processor, 5 kilobytes and rudimentary color graphics, which was the entry point into the computer world for many. In 1982, it was the best-selling home computer and the first Commodore computer to exceed one million units sold.</p>
<p>This success was only followed by the Commodore 64, which was released in September 1982 and turned the 8-bit market on its head: with an estimated 17 million units sold, it is considered the most successful home computer of all time. In the shadow of this success were devices such as the Commodore 128 or the Commodore 246 series, which did not sell nearly as many units.</p>
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<div class="text">The Commodore 64, here in the first version, which was also known as the &#8220;bread box&#8221; due to its shape. With up to 17 million units sold from 1982 to 1994, it is considered the best-selling home computer of all time.</div>
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<p>Tramiel was a tough and feared businessman. His understanding of business had to be followed by the staff and endured by the trading partners. When Jack Tramiel was not allowed to bring one of his sons into management and had a falling out with Irving Gould over the company&#8217;s direction, he left Commodore in 1984, taking some of the best developers with him. Tramiel bought the Atari company and openly went into battle against Commodore.</p>
<p>Commodore, in turn, had now lost its boss and some of the C64 developers. Although the Commodore 64 dominated the 8-bit market, they had no access to the emerging 16-bit wave. This came with the purchase of a small company called Amiga. Under the leadership of developer Jay Miner, who was already in charge of chip development for the Atari 400/800, a small team of developers had wanted to develop the best home computer ever since 1982, but there was no major investor behind the project and they were constantly struggling to survive. Although the presentation of the Lorraine prototype at the 1984 CES was a success, it did not attract any investors.</p>
<h3 id="nav_a_loan_almost__2" class="subheading">A loan almost turned the Amiga into an Atari</h3>
<p>Instead, Amiga obtained a loan of 500,000 dollars from Atari – well before the takeover by Jack Tramiel – to continue developing its project. When Tramiel&#8217;s Atari takeover talks later leaked out, the Amiga developers panicked. They were still smarting from a takeover meeting in which Tramiel had wanted to take over the company at a dumping price months earlier. If Amiga didn&#8217;t pay back the 500,000 dollars by August, he would probably have become their boss.</p>
<p>At the last second, Commodore bought Amiga for 27 million dollars and paid Atari off. Tramiel, still in takeover negotiations, had no idea what the 500,000 dollar check meant and later sued Commodore, which ended in a settlement a few years later. With Commodore behind them, the Amiga engineers developed the Amiga 1000, which celebrated its premiere in New York on July 23, 1985.</p>
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<div class="text">The Amiga 1000 with keyboard and contemporary monitor from 1985, which breathed life into the term &#8220;multimedia&#8221; with its graphics and sound performance.</div>
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<p>With the Motorola 68000 with 16 (internally 32) bits and 7.16 megahertz, four-channel sound and up to 4096 simultaneous colors, the Amiga was graphically far ahead of the competition at the time. The AmigaOS was also the first widespread home computer with an operating system that was capable of preemptive multitasking. However, the Amiga was not yet positioned correctly: With a remote keyboard, it looked more like an office computer and was still too expensive for the children&#8217;s room, while Atari already had a keyboard computer with the same processor on the market with the Atari ST.</p>
<p>The Amiga&#8217;s breakthrough came with the Amiga 500, released in 1987. It was a keyboard computer similar to the C64, but with the performance data of the Amiga 1000 and also significantly cheaper than the first version of the series. Games such as Turrican, Defender of The Crown, Shadow of The Beast, Settlers and Lemmings demonstrated the Amiga&#8217;s outstanding capabilities and led to Commodore overtaking Atari in terms of sales over time.</p>
<h3 id="nav_later_more__3" class="subheading">Later, more professional Amigas and CD versions appeared</h3>
<p>The Amiga 2000, also released in 1987, was intended to appeal to more professional users. It had a separate keyboard and a spacious housing for additional cards. In 1990, the CDTV, an Amiga 500, was released as a CD console: very stylish, but unfortunately otherwise with technology that was now five years old. The Amiga 3000 was again intended for professional users. It was not until 1992 that two Amigas appeared with the Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000, whose graphics capabilities were able to compete with the emerging VGA PCs. However, they came too late to turn the tide.</p>
<p>Amiga 500 Plus was supposed to replace the Amiga 500 in 1991, but brought hardly any improvements and instead incompatibilities. The Amiga 600, which appeared in 1992, was also not a real further development, as the performance data remained more or less the same. It had more compact dimensions due to the omission of the numeric keypad, the design was based on the Amiga 1200, but the processor was still the 68000 with 7.16 megahertz. As an alternative to its own Amiga series, Commodore successfully offered IBM PC-compatible computers, occasionally with the PC 10 to PC 70.</p>
<p>The Commodore 65 almost came onto the market as the successor to the C64 in 1992, until the planners at Commodore realized that new 8-bit computers were no longer in demand. The last product, the Amiga CD32, came too late as a CD console to save Commodore from insolvency. On April 29, 1994, the time had come: Commodore was bankrupt.</p>
<p>The German PC distributor Escom then took over the rights to the Amiga and continued to distribute the Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000 until 1996, when they themselves had to file for bankruptcy independently of the Amiga. Since then, the rights to the Amiga and Commodore names have passed into different hands.</p>
<p>Today, an active nerd community takes care of Commodore&#8217;s legacy: enthusiasts continue to supply the systems with software and expansions. C64 has a huge fan base. It was even re-released four years ago in an FPGA version in its original size and with technical innovations. On the Amiga, you can also play via FPGA on the Amiga 500 mini-console, or you can play on the original device with an SD card partition. Lovers of classic devices can also meet at exhibitions such as the recent Retro Computing Festival in Paderborn. <a href="https://www.heise.de/en/background/30-years-ago-When-the-C64-and-Amiga-pioneer-Commodore-went-bankrupt-9702746.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<p>Mismanaged from the hero to zero. That, in a way, sums up David John Pleasance’s take on how Commodore roared to a position of almost global dominance and then collapsed, just as dramatically, declaring bankruptcy on 19 April 1994.</p>
<p>A visit from the financial grim reaper might have spelled the end for Commodore as a commercial force but, if computing companies have a spirit, Commodore’s most certainly lives on. Today, the firm and its machines are the focus of a global retro movement that revives, restores, revisits and revels in classic Commodore machines, games and hardware. Through emulators, conferences, meetups, clubs and festivals new generations are discovering Commodore and its magic.</p>
<p>And Pleasance should know about all of this. He was one of Commodore’s longest serving employees, eventually becoming its UK MD. That gives him an unparalleled view of the tech giant’s rise and its eventual fall. It also affords him a great insight into why the 80’s and 90’s computers were so special.</p>
<h2>Flukes and good fortune</h2>
<p>‘My first job was with the business division, selling Commodore PETs into retail,’ Pleasance says. ‘My background has always been in retail. But they took me away from that role&#8230; the C64 was doing insane business. So, I got the job of national accounts manager for C64, looking after all the big guys: Dixons, Comet, Currys&#8230; Right from the start that move told me that they never had a business plan. I was given the job of selling the C64 because we didn’t have enough PETs to sell into retail.’</p>
<p>Finishing the point, he laughs and says: ‘I was hired to do a job that never transpired.’</p>
<p>After that shaky start, Pleasance didn’t look back. ‘We got computers &#8211; VIC-20s and C64s &#8211; into everybody. WH Smith, British Home Stores&#8230; I even sold into Tesco. We were good at selling and they were hot products.’</p>
<p>From there, he became Sales and Marketing Director for the UK, moved to the company’s European arm, spent a stint in the US and was finally moved back to England, as MD of Commodore UK. Describing his style of working and a taste for growing businesses, Pleasance says he’s ‘a hunter not a farmer.’</p>
<p>Despite all the ups and down, Pleasance states: ‘I consider myself to be an incredibly fortunate man. My whole life has been full of fluke circumstances that let me improve my career. Joining Commodore was absolutely one of those.’</p>
<h2>Looking for inspiration</h2>
<p>In his early years, Pleasance worked in Australia but decided, in 1983, to come back home to the UK. On the way, he travelled the world, looking around for what might be the ‘next big thing’. The tour forced him, inexorably, toward a conclusion: home computing was going to be huge. And so, he focused on finding a job in the computer industry back in the UK.</p>
<p>‘You’ve got to remember that there was no internet,’ he explains. ‘All the jobs that were worth getting were in the newspapers. There was a job selling computer services and I got on the phone to this guy, a recruitment agent. It took me thirty for forty minutes to convince him to interview me&#8230; I knew nothing about computers. My background was in retail. But, an interview I got.’</p>
<h2>Right place, right time</h2>
<p>‘I arrived at the building and as I was entering, a lady was leaving. So, I held the door for her. I remember it distinctly,’ Pleasance continues. ‘So, I had the interview with the guy and he said: “Well, Mister Pleasance, there is no doubt that you could do this job standing on your head. But, I’m not going to put you forward for it. You’ve got retail experience and it would be remiss of me not to use those skills.”’</p>
<p>Pleasance stood to leave and was called back. He recounts what the agent said next: ‘”Did you see a woman leaving as you arrived? She’s just given me a brief for a job. You’ve just arrived and I’ve not had time to write it up. You’d be perfect for it. She works for a computer company. They want to sell into the retail market and they’ve got a dilemma. Do they want a computing expert or a retail expert? My advice was get a retail specialist.” That was the job at Commodore and it never got advertised. Two days later I got the job.’</p>
<h2>Commodore’s origins</h2>
<p>Much of Commodore’s early success, Pleasance says, can be ascribed to its founder: Jack Tramiel. Born in 1928, Tramiel was &#8211; according to Pleasance &#8211; quite a formidable man but some redemption came in the form of having his finger firmly on the public’s collective pulse.</p>
<p>‘He knew what trends were happening,’ Pleasance says. ‘He was always investigating. One of the first computers they produced was the put-it-together yourself KIM-1. It was the same kind of concept as Sinclair did, build your own computer. He then produced the VIC-20, a real entry level machine.’</p>
<p>Commodore however hit the big time with the Commodore 64. ‘It was the perfect machine in terms of cost and performance,’ Pleasance recalls. ‘But, it also hit at the right time. In Europe there was a generation of people looking for something new. We’d been to the moon. This generation of children&#8230; was hungry for something new. The Commodore 64 fitted the bill perfectly.’</p>
<p>‘There’s been a lot of conjecture about the volume of C64s sold worldwide, ‘ Pleasance says firmly, halting the conversation. ‘I can tell you categorically that the number was just a tad under 27 million. I can tell you that because, when we were thinking about doing a management buyout, we got access to all the figures.’</p>
<h2>Commodore 64 and the Amiga</h2>
<p>By the late eighties, the 8-bit Commodore 64 was starting to show its age and was running out steam. The problem was, the 16-bit Amiga, a machine that would eventually surpass the C64’s success, was still in the late stages of gestation.</p>
<p>‘Amiga wasn’t powerful enough to be a serious business machine,’ Pleasance recalls. ‘It didn’t have enough serious business software and it cost $1,000. So, it was too expensive to be a games machine. It fell between too camps. It wasn’t until 1989, with the A500, that we had a product that was a generation ahead of the C64&#8230; multi-tasking, colours and dedicated chipsets. It turned people on again, big time. I was easy to use and again, it went on to influence a whole generation of people.’</p>
<p>Despite Amiga’s promise, Commodore, Pleasance says, was in another phase of disarray. Back in 1987, Commodore UK had the next in a quick series of MDs: Steve Franklin. Pleasance says that Franklin’s first action &#8211; under orders from above &#8211; was to fire swathes of the existing staff in an effort shake up the UK arm of company. Two weeks into his tenure, the MD called Pleasance into his office. ‘It was bizarre, he didn’t talk to me for two weeks. Then, one Monday morning &#8211; “Pleasance, my office now!”’</p>
<h2>Selling dreams, not computers</h2>
<p>The MD told Pleasance that if he could, he would fire him. But, because he didn’t have an easy replacement, the salesman and marketing man could stay. Reluctantly.</p>
<p>‘He spent 20 minutes lecturing me about ethics,’ Pleasance recounts. ‘After all that I said: “Fine. Okay. I’ll make a deal with you.” He said, “you’re in no position to make a deal with me!” I said, “hear me out. I’ll put a proposition to you now and if it works, I’ll bring more business into this company than you’ve ever seen before. Or, if I fail, I’ll give you enough reason to get rid of me.”’</p>
<p>‘I pointed to his desk where there was an Amiga 500 and said, “what is that?” He said, “it’s a computer.” I said, “it’s a piece of plastic with some keys on it. From now on, we don’t sell computers, we sell dreams. It’s what that computer can do, it’s what that computer can bring into your life &#8211; that’s what we’ve got to market. I want to put a bundle together and the fact that there’s an Amiga inside will be irrelevant.”’</p>
<p>The discussion lead to what Pleasance happily describes as his proudest career achievement: bundles. The idea ran that an Amiga &#8211; or, for cash flow reasons, an aging C64 &#8211; would be packaged up with the latest must-have game, some productivity packages and also art software.</p>
<p>Including art software, Pleasance explains, was a sop to parents who viewed creative software as an educational tool. With it included, parents were more willing to pay for a new computer because they believed it offered an educational advantage and would be ‘for the betterment of the child’. You’ve got to market to the people paying the bills, he advises.</p>
<h2>A huge bundle of results</h2>
<p>The Commodore team put the plan into action, basing the first bundle around Batman the Movie. The game was going to be created by Ocean software, after it had paid one million dollars for the licence to use the name.</p>
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<p>The proposition was to build a bundle around Batman the Movie and for Ocean to give Commodore exclusivity for two months. After two months the games firm could sell the game across the counter. Pleasance said he’d pay ‘tuppence’ per copy and would only commit to 10,000 copies. Ocean, understandably had some ‘concerns’ &#8211; mainly that dealers would be annoyed by not being able to sell the biggest game in town.</p>
<p>Continuing with the story he says: ‘I said, “I’m sure they will be hacked off. But, my guess is that they’ll be hacked off for maybe two days. But, they’ll be selling a four hundred pound product and not a forty pound product. And I know what I’d prefer to sell.” Ocean was also worried that it’d paid a million dollars for the licence and it would cost a million dollars to make the game. They knew how many they needed to sell and were worried that this activity would damage their numbers.’</p>
<p>In the end, Ocean agreed and as predicted, the dealers were annoyed &#8211; for a very short period time. ‘And yes, we did affect Ocean’s sales. They ended up selling five times more copies than their biggest estimate of sales. And I didn’t take 10,000 pieces from them. I took 186,000 pieces. That’s how many Amiga 500 Batman packs we sold in 12 weeks.’</p>
<p>Over the following years, this model was deployed many times and in partnership with many game makers. It boosted the Amiga’s sales and also kept the C64 selling far longer than it really should.</p>
<p>In many ways, much of Commodore’s success can be ascribed to its relationship with software companies. Commodore, Pleasance says, put a great deal of effort to work with &#8211; and not against &#8211; games makers. The computer maker originally made games but stopped. It also went on to be a member of FAST &#8211; the Federation Against Software Theft. Commodore engineers would also work closely with games firms, helping to solve problems, Pleasance says.</p>
<p>‘We had a good relationship with them and that was really important,’ he says.</p>
<h2>Secret of success</h2>
<p>This all leads to the million-dollar question: Why were these machines so inspirational and why are they so fondly remembered, today? Pleasance says: ‘In those days, nobody had a mobile phone. Now, everybody has one and they’re much more powerful than those early computers. Children, from the moment them come out of the womb, seem to be able to use smartphones. And it’s boring. It’s not even new anymore. So, in terms of inspiring young people into technology, [mobiles phones are] kind of passé. And there have been no major hardware developments that take your breath away &#8211; like the Amiga did &#8211; there’s been nothing like that for many years. People have become blasé about [new] computers.’</p>
<p>But, whereas Pleasance has little time for modern day mobiles, legions of fans most certainly do have time for names such as Commodore, Sinclair, BBC Micro, Atari and all the rest. And this army of retro fans grows every year.</p>
<p>‘You’ve just got to look at the community of Commodore and Amiga fans around the world,’ he enthuses. ‘There’s a lot of nostalgia. It’s unprecedented. I’m off to Pixel Heaven, a retro event in Warsaw. It’s a weekend event and last year 6,000 people went. It’s all retro based. Gamescom in Cologne. Last year 37,000 people visited in five days.’</p>
<p>And, it’s not just the older generation that attends. Youngsters are being draw in too &#8211; nostalgia is pulling legions of young people into technology, coding, making and doing. ‘I’m very closely associated with the retro computing museum in Leicester and with a museum in Holland,’ he says. ‘They bring classes of school children through and show them the C64, Amiga and the BBC. It excites the kids. What you can make with pixels on a C64 is nothing compared to a modern mobile phone, but it really opens up their eyes and their ears to what’s possible. And it’s accessible, not locked down like a phone.’</p>
<h2>Game over</h2>
<p>For all its success and its valiant failures, Commodore was ultimately doomed. And the reason for this, according to Pleasance, is the fact that the business never had a coherent business plan. ‘They used to stumble from one crisis to the next,’ he says. ‘There was a huge number of changes in senior management and every time somebody new came in, they had a different view. And the problem was, after Jack Tramiel left, none of them had any knowledge of the computer business. There was a guy from Coca Cola and a guy from the steal industry. The had no idea about the computer market and they never tried to learn.’</p>
<p>In early 1992, Pleasance was VP of Consumer Products and was based in the US. By December of that year he was ordered back to the UK. ‘Commodore was in its biggest financial crisis ever,’ he explains. ‘I had no choice. I was back in the UK. They said, “we know the UK is a strong business and we need you to bring some money in.” But, I’m not a financial person. I can read a balance sheet. Colin Proudfoot was the financial controller. I said, “make him and me joint MDs &#8211; he’ll look after the money and I’ll look after the sales and marketing.”’</p>
<p>In his book, Commodore: The Inside Story, Pleasance writes that, on 19/4/1994 Commodore International &#8211; the parent company &#8211; went into liquidation, but Commodore UK continued to trade. In the long turn however, the odds were against Proudfoot and Pleasance as there was so much debt.</p>
<p>In 1994 the pair decided to find out if there was a viable business to be resurrected from the Commodore assets that were soon to be auctioned-off. They spent several months devising a business plan and initially, it went well.</p>
<p>‘We raised £50m,’ Pleasance recalls positively. ‘We were going to produce just Amiga products and let other people licence the Commodore name and produce products. That would generate revenue for us. We used Coopers and Lybrand who had just done two major management buyouts. We pulled together a consortium. We had two high-net worth individuals and a Chinese manufacturing company called New Star Electronics. It was investing half the money &#8211; this meant we had our own manufacturing company that was on our board and were partners.’</p>
<p>More specifically, the plan centred around dropping the aging C64 and focusing exclusively on the Amiga. To replace the low price C64, the plan was to offer the Amiga A300. When people had bought into the Amiga family they could be encouraged to updated. More well-off customers could buy the Amiga A1200. And again, customers had an upgrade path to 1000, 2000 or 3000 motherboards and tower cases. Using this approach people could upgrade all the way to the Amiga 4000 – the top of the line model (source: Commodore: The Inside Story).</p>
<p>Sadly, just 36 hours before the asset auction was due to take place in New York, a key backer pulled out and the plan failed.</p>
<p>Today, Commodore exists but only as a jumble of legal fragments. ‘Trademarks and IPs exist all over the place,’ Pleasance says. ‘Several people have claims on logos and the like. There’s a firm in Belgium, I think&#8230; There are some lawsuits going on&#8230; There’s an Italian company that’s making mobile phones. The first one is called the Commodore Pet &#8211; good name for a mobile phone? Last year they won the rights to fonts and type faces and also the chicken-head Commodore logo, because nobody has used it for five years. It’s a problem because of the way Commodore was broken up&#8230; It’s nightmare to sort out.’</p>
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<h2>The origins of Amiga</h2>
<p>Unlike the C64 and the VIC-20, Amiga wasn’t a home-grown Commodore product. Rather it was the child of Amiga Corporation and in its prototype days, went under the codename of Lorraine.</p>
<p>Initially, it was conceived, Pleasance says, as a business machine and in part, the Amiga Corporation funded Lorraine’s development with a bridging load from Atari Inc.</p>
<p>‘The concept was to have a multi-tasking machine with chips that were dedicated to specific jobs… there were lots of things that have never been done before,’ Pleasance explains. ‘But they ran out of money. Elsewhere, Jack Tramiel had left Commodore under a cloud. My understanding is that he wanted to put his three sons on the board but he held six percent of the company. He got overruled and so left,’ Pleasance recalls.</p>
<p>Lorraine was demonstrated at the 1984 Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago, in the hope of attracting investors. The demo given included stereo sound and also the classic Boing Ball demo. Investment wasn’t, however, forthcoming. Who would want to invest in a new computer company when the IBM PC was the dominant business machine maker?</p>
<p>‘Tramiel heard of Amiga and did a deal with them,’ Pleasance continues. ‘He leant them something like half a million dollars which they had to repay very quickly and if they couldn’t repay he would own the business. He gave them a cheque and immediately bought Atari. He paid a dollar for Atari as it had major debts.’</p>
<p>Tramiel’s idea was to use Atari as a vehicle through which to sell the Amiga. Fate, or a foe, had other ideas though: ‘The Commodore guys found out about the deal, went over to Amiga and gave them a better deal. When Tramiel found out, he went crazy, but they just gave him his cheque back. They never even cashed it. That cheque still exists somewhere.’ <a href="https://www.bcs.org/articles-opinion-and-research/the-rise-and-fall-of-commodore/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<h2>Drop in search traffic is a reminder technological advancement can displace long-established tech giants</h2>
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<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">A senior Apple AAPL <span class="css-1hk2j0i-ChicletChange e1vl9ktx3">0.63%</span><span class="css-f7n30v-Arrow e1vl9ktx1"><span class="css-1q7p60h-ArrowHiddenLabel e1vl9ktx0">increase; green up pointing triangle</span></span> executive said Wednesday that Google searches over the Safari web browser fell over the last two months. “That has not happened in over 20 years,” Eddie Cue, Apple’s senior vice president of services, said on the witness stand during the penalty trial phase of the Justice Department’s antitrust lawsuit against Google. Cue attributed the drop to a growing number of people using generative AI services such as ChatGPT and Perplexity.</p>
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<h2 class="css-1964saf-NormalDek-NormalDek-Styled-Styled-Styled emwm06f0">Websites will soon serve primarily as data sources for AI platforms, not destinations for humans, Mailchimp predicts</h2>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">In a matter of months, artificial intelligence has begun to change how people search for things online in ways that have alarmed some marketers.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Consumers who use traditional search engines like Google and Bing are now greeted atop their search results by AI-generated summaries of the topics at hand. A growing number of consumers now also turn directly to large language models such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT to answer everyday questions or guide their purchases.</p>
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<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Both developments have begun to eat away at the clicks and website traffic that marketers have earned over time by spending millions of dollars on search engine optimization, or SEO. They have also created a wave of businesses claiming to specialize in new industry acronyms such as generative engine optimization (GEO), answer engine optimization (AEO) and, of course, artificial intelligence optimization (AIO).</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Email software platform Intuit Mailchimp has seen a steady drop in web traffic since AI-assisted search started allowing people to gather information about the company and its products without visiting its sites, according to Ellen Mamedov, global director of search engine optimization.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">In order to counter the shift, Mailchimp began updating its sites to better serve the so-called crawlers, bots that visit pages across the web to collect the data that informs the answers provided by AI platforms like ChatGPT and Google’s Gemini, Mamedov said.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Technical search elements, like the speed at which pages load and the snippets of code used to track user activity, are more important for these bots and AI-driven searches than for traditional search engines, according to Mailchimp’s research.</p>
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<p><span class="e1m33gv80 css-426zcb-CaptionSpan e1m33gv81">Mailchimp says traffic to its website has dropped due to the influence of large language models and AI overviews in search results.</span> <span class="css-7jz429-Credit eq0esvu0">Photo: Rafael Henrique/Zuma Press</span></div>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">The bots are designed to absorb and process information as quickly as possible, which is why they prefer faster-loading sites that have been optimized for machines rather than human readers, according to Mamedov. Websites in general will evolve to serve primarily as data sources for bots that feed LLMs, rather than destinations for consumers, she said.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">If Mailchimp doesn’t regularly make sure these elements are up-to-date, “we’re definitely going to be left behind,” said Mamedov.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Chief marketing officers trained on classic SEO have seen similar traffic declines in recent months, and many aren’t aware that their companies’ sites haven’t been tailored to AI platforms or even made accessible to their bots, said Natasha Sommerfeld, partner in consulting firm Bain &amp; Co.’s customer practice.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">They’re also contending with the rapid rise of so-called zero-click search. Eighty percent of consumers now resolve 40% of their online search queries without clicking any links, according to a survey of more than 1,000 people conducted by Bain in December. Forty-two percent of people who regularly use generative AI said that they use such tools for shopping recommendations, the same survey found.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">OpenAI announced last month that ChatGPT will soon roll out a shopping button that redirects users to a merchant’s website, where they can buy the product they were researching.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">That could begin to address marketers’ AI challenge by letting people shop through ChatGPT, said Joy Howard, chief marketing officer at Back Market, a marketplace for refurbished electronics.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">LLM searches don’t yet drive sales, and they only account for 0.2% of traffic to Back Market’s sites. But such traffic is 470 times higher than it was last summer, and it will continue to grow, said Howard.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Back Market is tweaking its SEO practices accordingly. It has focused more intently on updating individual product pages, for example, because some consumers ask LLMs to identify products that suit their needs and tastes before using search engines to locate and potentially buy them, Howard said. Back Market has also begun using a more conversational tone in its product copy, since its search team has found that LLMs like ChatGPT prefer everyday language to the detailed descriptions that often perform best in traditional search engines, she said.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">“This is not big for us yet, but it could be,” she said of LLM searches.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Very few consumers have entirely replaced Google or Bing with ChatGPT, said Nikhil Lai, principal performance marketing analyst at <a class="ekxajjj0 css-i0lbhy-OverridedLink" href="https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/FORR" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-type="company">Forrester</a>. OpenAI says ChatGPT now processes roughly one billion searches a week, but Google handles 5 trillion searches each year, or around 100 times that total, according to its most recent figures.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">Trust is a question as well, with only 15% of consumers now willing to share their financial information with generative AI tools, according to Bain.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">As AI assumes a larger role in search, however, marketers will increasingly focus on how closely AI-generated summaries and prompt responses match the way they want their brands to be perceived, Lai said.</p>
<p class="css-1akm6h5-Paragraph e1e4oisd0" data-type="paragraph">“SEO teams have been caught flat-footed,” he said. “Traffic and ranking and average position and click-through rate…none of those metrics make sense going forward.” <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/ai-has-upended-the-search-game-marketers-are-scrambling-to-catch-up-84264b34" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<p>Microsoft&#8217;s Skype has finally shut down, concluding its 22-year tenure as the once-dominant internet calling and messaging service.</p>
<p>Microsoft acquired Skype in 2011 for $8.5 billion in what was then its largest-ever acquisition. At its peak, Skype had more than 300 million monthly active users and was synonymous with internet-based voice and video calling. For many, Skype was their first experience of speaking to someone halfway across the world for free, a radical shift from the dominance of telcos and expensive long-distance calls.</p>
<p>The service steadily declined in relevance in recent years, with its active user base shrinking to approximately 36 million by 2023 as competitors such as Zoom, WhatsApp, and Microsoft&#8217;s own Teams platform gained traction.</p>
<p>Teams has since grown to 320 million monthly users, far surpassing Skype&#8217;s remaining user base. The company&#8217;s decision to discontinue Skype is apparently part of a broader effort to prioritize artificial intelligence features within Teams. Employees who worked on Skype will be reassigned to other projects rather than being laid off.</p>
<p>Skype played a key role in popularizing VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) technology, enabling businesses and individuals to connect around the world with minimal costs. It also served as an early testbed for AI-powered real-time language translation, a feature Microsoft showcased in a widely publicized demonstration in 2014. However, its frequent UI changes, reliability issues, ill-conceived social media-like features, gradual shift toward enterprise, and inability to keep pace with newer competitors, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic, ultimately led to its obsolescence.</p>
<p>Existing Skype users had until May 5 to migrate their data and contacts to Teams or seek alternative solutions. Skype&#8217;s legacy lives on in the VoIP technology it helped to normalize—but as a product, it stands as a case study in how brand recognition alone can&#8217;t save a stagnant platform.</p>
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<p>Today is the day: Microsoft has formally shuttered the Skype app and service after announcing in February that Skype was being axed in favor of Microsoft Teams, the company&#8217;s Slack competitor.</p>
<p>The Skype apps have all been advertising the end of the service and pointing users to Teams for weeks now. As of today, if you open the app or navigate to the Skype site, you&#8217;ll be directed to use Teams instead. The last active vestige of Skype is the Skype Dial Pad, which Skype subscribers and members with Skype Credits can still use to make calls to traditional telephone numbers (the Dial Pad is also incorporated into Microsoft Teams Free).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unceremonious end for an app that was once synonymous with video calls. Microsoft originally bought Skype for $8.5 billion in 2011; it was also owned by eBay from 2005 to 2009 and by a group of venture capital firms between 2009 and 2011. Ironically, Microsoft bought the app to replace its own first-party communication client at the time, Windows Live Messenger (which itself had grown out of the old MSN Messenger).</p>
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<p>Though not the first software to allow video communication over the Internet, Skype was one of the first recognizably modern peer-to-peer video chatting apps. Created by some of the same developers behind the Kazaa peer-to-peer file-sharing software, Skype was originally released in 2003, at around the same time when increasing broadband Internet availability and better video compression codecs were solving the bandwidth problem.</p>
<p>But as detailed by Wired, Skype lost momentum after the Microsoft purchase, partly due to a redesign that people didn&#8217;t like and partly because upstarts like Zoom were offering new features and better call quality. When the COVID-19 pandemic hit in 2020 and all kinds of office jobs shifted to remote work, it was Zoom and not Skype that was in a better position to become the video-chatting app everyone was trapped in.</p>
<p>Skype has been merging into or being replaced by Teams for years, starting with the end of Skype for Business in 2017, a few months after formally releasing the first version of Teams. Microsoft has pushed Teams aggressively, including it alongside its flagship Office apps and Microsoft 365 service for years. Some regulators believed this was, in fact, <em>too</em> aggressive, and Microsoft decoupled Teams from the other Office apps in 2023 (for the European Union) and 2024 (for everyone else). <a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/06/skype-shuts-down/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<p>Skype is no more, as Microsoft is retiring the once-popular video calling service on Monday.</p>
<p>Shutting down Skype will help the software giant focus on its homegrown Teams service by simplifying its communication offerings, Microsoft announced back in February.</p>
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<p>To ease the transition from the platform, its users will be able to log into the free version of Teams using their existing credentials, with chats and contacts migrating automatically.</p>
<p>&#8220;Skype has been an integral part of shaping modern communications and supporting countless meaningful moments, and we are honored to have been part of the journey,&#8221; Jeff Tepper, Microsoft president of collaborative apps and platforms, said in a statement.</p>
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<p>Those who do not want to use Microsoft Teams Free can export their Skype data. Those who do nothing will have their data deleted in January 2026, Microsoft&#8217;s website says.</p>
<p>Skype first launched in 2003. When Microsoft acquired it in 2011 for $8.5 billion, the service had around 150 million monthly users. When the popularity of Zoom surged during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, that number had fallen to roughly 23 million.</p>
<p>The decline was partly because Skype&#8217;s underlying technology was not suited for the smartphone era.</p>
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