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<p>WASHINGTON (Nexstar) – A whistleblower says he handed over classified evidence proving that a secret government program has been recovering spaceships and aliens for decades.</p>
<p>A former intelligence and military official, David Grusch, says the secret government program has recovered non-human spacecraft.</p>
<p>“We’re definitely not alone,” Grusch said. “When you recover something that’s either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots. Believe or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it’s true.”</p>
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<p>The lawmakers Nexstar spoke with say they’re not aware of a secret UFO recovery program.</p>
<p>“I am a defense appropriator, I am part of classified briefings — this is nothing that has come up,” Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-CA) said.</p>
<p>Other lawmakers say they will wait for more information.</p>
<p>“We’ll have to listen to the facts,” Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) said.</p>
<p>Rep. Dean Phillips (D-MN) added, “My first reaction is probably like everybody watching, which is wow. And secondly, I’ll believe it when I see it.”</p>
<p>Grusch says he turned evidence that the UFO recovery program exists over to the inspector general of the U.S. intelligence community. Congressman Phillips says whether a secret government program has recovered UFOs and aliens deserves to be investigated by Congress.Phillips added, “I’ve seen no evidence of it whatsoever. And if there are actually aliens or space craft that exist in some warehouse, in a government warehouse somewhere of course, I want to know as much as all of you.” <a href="https://fox59.com/news/were-definitely-not-alone-whistleblower-claims-u-s-recovered-spaceships-aliens/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The US has been urged to disclose evidence of UFOs after a whistleblower former intelligence official said the government has possession of “intact and partially intact” alien vehicles.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The former intelligence official David Grusch, who led analysis of unexplained anomalous phenomena (UAP) within a US Department of Defense agency, has alleged that the US has craft of non-human origin.</p>
<p>Information on these vehicles is being illegally withheld from Congress, Grusch told the Debrief. Grusch said when he turned over classified information about the vehicles to Congress he suffered retaliation from government officials. He left the government in April after a 14-year career in US intelligence.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Jonathan Grey, a current US intelligence official at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (Nasic), confirmed the existence of “exotic materials” to the Debrief, adding: “We are not alone.”</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The disclosures come after a swell of credible sightings and reports have revived attention in alien ships, and potentially visits, in recent years.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">In 2021, the Pentagon released a report on UAP – the term is preferred to UFO by much of the extraterrestrial community – which found more than 140 instances of UAP encounters that could not be explained.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The report followed a leak of military footage that showed apparently inexplicable happenings in the sky, while navy pilots testified that they had frequently had encounters with strange craft off the US coast.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">In an interview with the Debrief journalists Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, who previously exposed the existence of a secret Pentagon program that investigated UFOs, Grusch said the US government and defense contractors had been recovering fragments of non-human craft, and in some cases entire craft, for decades.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Grusch told the Debrief that analysis determined that this material is “of exotic origin” – meaning “non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin”.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“[This assessment is] based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” Grusch said.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Grey, who, according to the Debrief, analyzes unexplained anomalous phenomena within the Nasic, confirmed Grusch’s account.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The Debrief spoke to several of Grusch’s former colleagues, each of whom vouched for his character. Karl E Nell, a retired army colonel, said Grusch was “beyond reproach”. In a 2022 performance review seen by the Debrief, Grusch was described as “an officer with the strongest possible moral compass”.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Nick Pope, who spent the early 1990s investigating UFOs for the British Ministry of Defence (MoD), said Grusch and Grey’s account of alien materials was “very significant”.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“It’s one thing to have stories on the conspiracy blogs, but this takes it to the next level, with genuine insiders coming forward,” Pope said.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“When these people make these formal complaints, they do so on the understanding that if they’ve knowingly made a false statement, they are liable to a fairly hefty fine, and/or prison.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“People say: ‘Oh, people make up stories all the time.’ But I think it’s very different to go before Congress and go to the intelligence community inspector general and do that. Because there will be consequences if it emerges that this is not true.”</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The Debrief reported that Grusch’s knowledge of non-human materials and vehicles was based on “extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials”. He said he had reported the existence of a UFO material “recovery program” to Congress.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“Grusch said that the craft recovery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity and that he knows the specific individuals, current and former, who are involved,” the Debrief reported.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">In the Debrief article, Grusch does not say he has personally seen alien vehicles, nor does he say where they may be being stored. He asked the Debrief to withhold details of retaliation by government officials due to an ongoing investigation.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">He also does not specify how he believes the government retaliated against him.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">In June 2021, a report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said that from 2004 to 2021 there were 144 encounters between military pilots and UAP, 80 of which were captured on multiple sensors. Only one of the 144 encounters could be explained with “high confidence” – it was a large, deflating balloon.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Following increased interest from the public and some US senators, the Pentagon established the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, charged with tracking UAP, in July 2022.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">In December last year, the office said it had received “several hundred” new reports, but no evidence so far of alien life.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The publication of Grusch and Grey’s claims comes after a panel that the US space agency Nasa charged with investigating unexplained anomalous phenomena said stigma around reporting encounters – and harassment of those who do report encounters – was hindering its work.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The navy pilots who in 2021 shared their experiences of encountering unexplained objects while conducting military flights said they, and others, had decided against reporting the encounters internally, because of fears it could hinder their careers.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“Harassment only leads to further stigmatization of the UAP field, significantly hindering the scientific progress and discouraging others to study this important subject matter,” Nasa’s science chief, Nicola Fox, said in a public meeting on 31 May.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Dr David Spergel, the independent chair of Nasa’s UAP independent study team, told the Guardian he did not know Grusch and had no knowledge of his claims.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">The Department of Defense did not immediately respond to a request for comment.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">In a statement, a Nasa spokesperson said: “One of Nasa’s key priorities is the search for life elsewhere in the universe, but so far, NASA has not found any credible evidence of extraterrestrial life and there is no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial. However, Nasa is exploring the solar system and beyond to help us answer fundamental questions, including whether we are alone in the universe.”</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Pope said in his work investigating UFOs for the MoD he had seen no hard evidence of non-human craft or materials.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">“Some of our cases were intriguing,” Pope said. “But we didn’t have a spaceship in a hangar anywhere. And if we did, they didn’t tell me.”</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">Still, Pope said, Grusch’s claims should be seen as part of an increasing flow of information – and hopefully disclosures – about UFOs.</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc">He said: “It’s part of a wider puzzle. And I think, assuming this is all true, it takes us closer than we’ve ever been before to the very heart of all this.”</p>
<p class="dcr-n6w1lc"><em>Richard Luscombe <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/whistleblower-ufo-alien-tech-spacecraft" target="_blank" rel="noopener">contributed reporting</a></em></p>
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<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">If ever a headline has demanded a wide-eyed, scrambling-to-click reaction, it might be this one: “Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-human Origin.”</p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">A website called <em>The Debrief—</em>which says it specializes in “frontier science” and describes itself as self-funded—reported this week that a former intelligence official named David Grusch said that the U.S. government has spent decades secretly recovering “intact vehicles” and “partial fragments” that weren’t made by humans. (A section of <em>The Debrief</em> is dedicated to coverage of UFOs.) Officials, Grusch said, sought to avoid congressional oversight while reverse-engineering these materials for the government’s own purposes. In a separate interview with NewsNation, which has advertised itself as an alternative to major cable networks, Grusch <a href="https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us-ufo-retrieval-program/" data-event-element="inline link">said</a> the military had even discovered the “dead pilots” of these craft. “Believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it’s true,” he said.</p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">Grusch’s account has spread quickly across social media and been repeated by news outlets including <em>The Guardian</em>, Fox News, and <em>New York</em> magazine, as well as plenty of local network affiliates. And why wouldn’t it be? This story has everything: a seemingly authoritative source spilling secrets about a government operation designed to keep the American public in the dark. Oh, and aliens. The only problem is, there’s nothing backing it up.</p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">Ever since UFOs—now also known as UAPs, for “unidentified anomalous phenomena”—first became <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2021/06/ufo-report-uap-director-national-intellegence/619293/" data-event-element="inline link">a cultural sensation</a>, in the technology-fueled postwar era, people have latched onto stories like this one. The cycle has usually moved this way: Someone with military or government experience comes forward with a strange experience or encounter. They have no hard evidence but, given their background, are perceived by some to be a reliable observer anyway. Tabloids amplify the story, fanning public interest and demanding that the government reveal whatever it must be hiding. Officials deny that they’ve found evidence of extraterrestrial activity, which only fuels conspiracy thinking. “This is familiar territory,” Greg Eghigian, a historian at Pennsylvania State University who has studied UFO culture, told me. And it never leads anywhere concrete.</p>
<p id="injected-recirculation-link-0" class="ArticleRelatedContentLink_root__v6EBD" data-view-action="view link - injected link - item 1" data-event-element="injected link" data-event-position="1" data-gtm-vis-first-on-screen-31117857_217="1190211" data-gtm-vis-total-visible-time-31117857_217="100" data-gtm-vis-has-fired-31117857_217="1"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/02/unidentified-flying-objects-chinese-spy-balloon-american-alien-ufo-obsession/673068/">Read: A new age of UFO mania</a></p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">The UFO playbook dates back to one of the first major sightings, in 1947, when the pilot Kenneth Arnold said he saw nine flashing objects in the sky over Washington State, maneuvering in strange ways and flying at tremendous speeds. Coverage of Arnold’s account <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/the-man-who-introduced-the-world-to-flying-saucers/372732/" data-event-element="inline link">popularized</a> the term <em>flying saucer</em>, and everyone ran with it, including Donald Keyhoe, a Marine Corps major turned writer. Keyhoe claimed that, although he hadn’t seen any of it himself, military officials had studied some flying saucers and concluded that the craft were of alien origin, but they were told to never disclose the facts, Eghigian said. Keyhoe’s writings, which were widely published, cemented two narratives that have become “part and parcel of the UFO world for decades,” Eghigian said: First, that “we have conclusive proof that aliens are visiting Earth,” and second, that “it’s being covered up by the government in some way.”</p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">Grusch’s story is already hitting the same beats. Like Keyhoe, Grusch does not appear to have seen the alleged alien craft himself. He says he has seen documents detailing the retrieval of mysterious hardware, but we, the readers, are privy only to his testimony about what they contain. Although the authors of the article say that Grusch’s comments were “cleared for open publication” by the Department of Defense, all that means is that the remarks do not contain classified information, not that they have been verified to be true.Also, as in Keyhoe’s case, the military denied a cover-up. The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO, a Defense Department entity established last year and charged with reviewing UFO reports, <a href="https://www.the-sun.com/news/8294913/ufo-whistleblower-david-grusch-multiple-non-human-craft/" data-event-element="inline link">said in a statement</a> on Monday that it “has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.”</p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">The problem is, in every instance so far of the UFO-mania cycle, the government, too, is effectively asking Americans to take it at its word. Anything juicier than “We don’t have evidence”—anything that would provide more clarity, even—is classified, and the government has little incentive to share it. Government officials also have a documented history of lying to the American people. “Even when they’ve tried to come clean in some ways over the years, whether it’s declassified materials about Roswell or the new AARO project—it just doesn’t convince people,” Eghigian said. (He’s referring to an incident from the same year as the Arnold affair, when a mysterious craft crashed in Roswell, New Mexico. Even though the military said it was just <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/in-1947-high-altitude-balloon-crash-landed-roswell-aliens-never-left-180963917/" data-event-element="inline link">a high-altitude balloon</a>, alien wreckage has since become a staple of UFO culture.) Grusch’s miraculous claims are unlikely to be proved or disproved; Eghigian describes either outcome as “virtually impossible.”</p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">Before this week, the Keyhoe script played out most recently in 2017, when <em>The New York Times</em> and other outlets revealed the existence of a covert program at the Pentagon dedicated to cataloging UFOs, known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP. The whistleblower at the center of that story was its former director, Luis Elizondo, who said he quit because of what the <em>Times</em> summarized as “excessive secrecy and internal opposition.” (The authors of the new <em>Debrief</em> story also worked on the 2017 <em>Times</em> piece.) The <em>Times</em> included in its coverage video footage from the Navy that showed unexplained objects moving through the sky. The cycle began to move at warp speed. The public was rapt and suspicious; the government made denials that seemed to only muddy the waters.</p>
<p class="ArticleParagraph_root__wy3UI">The <em>Times</em> coverage and the intense public reaction prompted Congress to hold hearings on UFOs, and to direct defense and intelligence agencies to provide reports on UAPs. That’s another part of the playbook. “Faced with citizens who expect their leaders to demystify the potentially dangerous mystery, the government has historically <em>tried</em> to (not always in good faith),” wrote Sarah Scoles, a science journalist, in <a href="https://tertulia.com/book/they-are-already-here-ufo-culture-and-why-we-see-saucers-sarah-scoles/9781643133058?affiliate_id=atl-347" data-event-element="inline link"><em>They Are Already Here: UFO Culture and Why We See Saucers</em></a>. The first official government program dealing with UFOs emerged in the late 1940s, soon after Arnold’s account of mysterious flashes. Lawmakers have <a href="https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/house-oversight-committee-hearings-ufos/" data-event-element="inline link">already begun calling</a> for official meetings about Grusch’s claims of alien wreckage. Any resulting reports and hearings, however, are doomed to be anticlimactic, as <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/05/congress-pentagon-ufo-hearing-aliens/629910/" data-event-element="inline link">lacking in big reveals</a> as other such events have been throughout history. And so we remain stuck. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/06/alien-intact-vehicles-ufo-us-government/674323/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></p>
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<p class="speakable">The Pentagon undermined a whistleblower&#8217;s claim about a secret government program that he said has been recovering crashed UFOs and reverse engineering their technology.</p>
<p class="speakable">David Charles Grusch, a decorated Air Force veteran, told NewsNation they are &#8220;retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it spacecraft if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, naturally, when you recover something that’s either landed or crashed… sometimes you encounter dead pilots and believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it’s true,&#8221; Grusch said.</p>
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<p>Susan Gough, a spokesperson for the Department of Defense, told Fox News Digital in an email on Tuesday that there is no &#8220;verifiable information to substantiate the claims.&#8221;</p>
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<p>The U.S. Navy filmed &#8220;pyramid-shaped&#8221; UFOs hovering over USS Russell in July 2019 off the coast of California. (@JeremyCorbell)</p>
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<p>Gough is the mouthpiece for the Pentagon&#8217;s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), a section of the DOD tasked with investigating and identifying Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), a government-created phrase used instead of UFOs.</p>
<p>&#8220;To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently,&#8221; Gough said.</p>
<p>Gough also said the AARO, working with the Office of the General Counsel and Air Force Office of Special investigations, has established &#8220;a safe and secure process&#8221; for people to come forward with information.</p>
<p>&#8220;AARO welcomes the opportunity to speak with any former or current government employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant to the historical review,&#8221; Gough said.</p>
<p>During NASA&#8217;s public hearing on UFO&#8217;s last week, <u>AARO Director Sean Kirkpatrick</u> said his office is investigating over 800 cases, but only 2%-5% of the cases are &#8220;truly anomalous.&#8221;</p>
<p>That revelation pales in comparison to Grusch&#8217;s jarring statements about the ongoing, decades-long secret UFO retrieval program, which was first reported by The Debrief.</p>
<p>Grusch, 36, is a former combat officer in Afghanistan who served the National Reconnaissance Office as their representative to Congress’ Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021.</p>
<p>On Monday, he filed a whistleblower complaint to Congress and the <u>Intelligence Community</u> Inspector General (ICIG) on classified information that he insists proves the recoveries of partial fragments and intact vehicles by the U.S. government, its allies and defense contractors, according to The Debrief&#8217;s report.</p>
<p>The recoveries have been determined through analysis to be &#8220;of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on <u>the vehicle morphologies</u> and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,&#8221; Grusch said.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,&#8221; Grusch said of the information he submitted to Congress and the ICIG. &#8220;The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many senior and former intelligence officers, many of whom he knew nearly his whole career, began confiding in him and provided documents and other &#8220;proof&#8221; that they were part of a secret craft retrieval program that the UAP Task Force &#8220;was not read into,&#8221; Grusch claimed during a separate interview with NewsNation.</p>
<p>&#8220;We’re definitely not alone,&#8221; he said. &#8220;The data points, quite empirically that we’re not alone.&#8221;</p>
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<p>The &#8220;ACORN&#8221;: An FA-18 pilot and a weapon systems officer took these photos of Unidentifed Aerial Phenomena flying over Oceania on March 4, 2019. (George Knapp/Mysterywire.com)</p>
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<p>Grusch told The Debrief that UFO <u>&#8220;legacy programs&#8221;</u> have long been concealed within &#8220;multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.&#8221;</p>
<p>On Tuesday, Fox News Digital spoke to three different people — two experts and a journalist — who backed Grusch&#8217;s claims.</p>
<p>Jeremy Corbell, an investigative journalist and documentary filmmaker who was the only civilian named during <u>Congress&#8217; historic UFO hearing in May 2022,</u> said &#8220;everything&#8221; is true.</p>
<p>Grusch said he began providing hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages, which included specific data about the materials-recovery program to Congress starting in 2022.</p>
<p>&#8220;Individuals on these <u>UAP programs</u> approached me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings, such as illegal contracting against the Federal Acquisition Regulations and other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,&#8221; Grusch told The Debrief.</p>
<p>Though specific data, such as the locations of recoveries and program names remain classified, and no physical materials have been provided to Congress, several current members of the recovery program have since spoken to the Inspector General’s office, corroborating information in Grusch’s complaint.</p>
<p>&#8220;His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past 80 years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence,&#8221; Karl Nell, a retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force, told The Debrief.</p>
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<p><i>Fox News Digital&#8217;s Danielle Wallace contributed to this report. <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/us/pentagon-denies-secret-ufo-retrieval-program-after-whistleblower-bombshell" target="_blank" rel="noopener">source</a></i></p>
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